Bamaboy Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Currently running CFE Pistol 6.8grn over a 124grn Black Bullet. Calipers went dead so I can't give you an accurate oal. But I set my oal 2 years ago and left it alone. Wanna switch to a cleaner powder but keep same bullet. If you run a matchmaster what is your cream of the crop load to make that gun as flat as possible. The reason I'm looking for cleaner is because my glass is picking up carbon pretty badly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 45 minutes ago, Bamaboy said: my glass is picking up carbon pretty badly My TruBors kept getting dirty glass, until I switched to BE's Slide Glide as a lube for the gun. It doesn't splatter, like liquid lubes To run "flatter", you might try a slightly slower powder, e.g. HS6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Try some fully Jacketed or plated bullets. BBI are great Bullets but too dirty for m to run in Open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamaboy Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sarge said: Try some fully Jacketed or plated bullets. BBI are great Bullets but too dirty for m to run in Open I've never had an issue with BBI or Blue. I perfered BBI and know the owner pretty well. I just talked to STI and they said there should be no backwards gas coming out of the comp. So I sent them requested pics and they are probably going to replace my barrel all together. They said the comp should only dispel vertical gas and I should be able to run an optic without a balst shield. We shall see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamaboy Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said: My TruBors kept getting dirty glass, until I switched to BE's Slide Glide as a lube for the gun. It doesn't splatter, like liquid lubes To run "flatter", you might try a slightly slower powder, e.g. HS6. Why HS6 sepcifically. And what load do you run with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Bamaboy said: I've never had an issue with BBI or Blue. I perfered BBI and know the owner pretty well. I just talked to STI and they said there should be no backwards gas coming out of the comp. So I sent them requested pics and they are probably going to replace my barrel all together. They said the comp should only dispel vertical gas and I should be able to run an optic without a balst shield. We shall see I know Chandler too. Still pretty dirty in an Open gun. But it’s good there may be a hole angle issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Bamaboy said: Why HS6 sepcifically. And what load do you run with it. Slower powder typically means more gas for a given charge. More gas means more comp effectiveness which equals flatter generally speaking. When you find a gunpowder that is so clean as to equal “eating off the floor” clean, please let us know. In my experience some powders are cleaner than others but none are really that clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 6 hours ago, Bamaboy said: Why HS6 sepcifically. And what load do you run with it. You asked for a powder that would give you a flatter response - any slower powder will help do that. HS6 is a little slower than WAC, but there are other even slower powders that are probably even "better". HS6 needs about 1.0 grains more than WAC (WAC runs from 6.7- 7.5 grains) and HS6 needs one more grain, usually, but start low and work up slowly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevrofreak Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 3n38 and Power Pistol have been pretty darned clean for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamaboy Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 17 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said: You asked for a powder that would give you a flatter response - any slower powder will help do that. HS6 is a little slower than WAC, but there are other even slower powders that are probably even "better". HS6 needs about 1.0 grains more than WAC (WAC runs from 6.7- 7.5 grains) and HS6 needs one more grain, usually, but start low and work up slowly I'm thinking VV 3N38. what do y'all think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEH Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 21 hours ago, Sarge said: Slower powder typically means more gas for a given charge. More gas means more comp effectiveness which equals flatter generally speaking. When you find a gunpowder that is so clean as to equal “eating off the floor” clean, please let us know. In my experience some powders are cleaner than others but none are really that clean. Sarge, let me know right after you find it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEH Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 It cost more than hs6,or wac, these are the two most used in 9 mm for open in my area.. some have started using aa#7 , but from what I’ve been told they use more of it than hs6 or wac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevrofreak Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, EEH said: It cost more than hs6,or wac, these are the two most used in 9 mm for open in my area.. some have started using aa#7 , but from what I’ve been told they use more of it than hs6 or wac. I ran 10.5gr of AA7 under a 115jhp. It shoots great, but produces cornmeal when it burns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEH Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 20 minutes ago, chevrofreak said: I ran 10.5gr of AA7 under a 115jhp. It shoots great, but produces cornmeal when it burns. Hadn’t heard that.. so make cornbread. LoL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamaboy Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 8/7/2018 at 10:31 AM, EEH said: Sarge, let me know right after you find it ! On 8/6/2018 at 12:45 PM, Sarge said: Slower powder typically means more gas for a given charge. More gas means more comp effectiveness which equals flatter generally speaking. When you find a gunpowder that is so clean as to equal “eating off the floor” clean, please let us know. In my experience some powders are cleaner than others but none are really that clean. sarge what do you recommend for the cleaner side. and if you were buying powder today would you go 3n38 or HS6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 6 hours ago, Bamaboy said: sarge what do you recommend for the cleaner side. and if you were buying powder today would you go 3n38 or HS6 Thats a trick question! Cleanest of those two? 3N38. Which would I personally use of the two? HS6 I used to use 3N37 in my 9MAJOR loads and it practically filled up the case just like 38. I can control the spilling on the press so that isn't a concern. What did bug me was my rounds were very inconsistent over chrono due to oal varying so much due to compressed loads. My rounds would actually grow overnight in some cases. I think it probably had to do with the age of the case, headstamp, etc. To go even further though, I have settled on WAC. HS6 is cleaner and works better the more you dump in the case. I found it tended to work better with 115's loaded long to avoid compression but was on par with WAC for 124's so I just stocked up on WAC and called it a day since it works well with 115's also. WAC meters great through my 650 and only fills the case 2/3rds or so. I think clean burning is an overused and overrated concern. It's not like a gun shooting 3N38 NEVER needs cleaned. It still does eventually. Most guys running Open or limited custom guns tend to clean them more than they would a Glock. I find WAC pretty dirty but I can still easily put 1000 + rounds through it without any hiccups. I clean it about every 6-7 local matches or before a Major match and I would do the same thing if I ran 3N38. My loads are 7.8 WAC under MG 115 JHP @1.168 7.4 WAC under MG 121 IFP @1.168 7.2 WAC Under MG 124 JHP @ 1.168 I'm currently working up a load for some PD 124 JHP's and for some reason it's taking a lot more powder to get to where I want it I'm at 7.5 WAC with these bullets @1.168. All loads are around 173-4 PF out of a full size 2011 with KKM and Schueman barrels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevrofreak Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 I must have a bottle from that "hot" batch of WAC, because at 7.4gr I was blowing out over 90% of my primers and I was above 180pf with a 124 PD JHP. Description: 124 PD JHP - 7.4gr WAC - S&B SPP - New EGA brass - 1.155" - CK Open gun Distance to Chrono (FT): 3.00 Bullet Weight (gr): 124.000 Altitude (FT): 3600.0 Temp: 81 °F BP: 26.34 inHG Shots # FPS FT-LBS PF 15 1476 599.94 183.02 14 1450 578.99 179.80 13 1463 589.42 181.41 12 1468 593.46 182.03 11 1451 579.79 179.92 10 1469 594.27 182.16 9 1458 585.40 180.79 8 1460 587.01 181.04 7 1460 587.01 181.04 6 1457 584.60 180.67 5 1456 583.79 180.54 4 1466 591.84 181.78 3 1456 583.79 180.54 2 1479 602.38 183.40 1 1458 585.40 180.79 Average: 1461.80 StdDev: 8.40 Min: 1450 Max: 1479 Spread: 29 True MV: 1462.30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echotango Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 I'm at 7.4 w/115's, 3 3/16" holes at 170pf. Was at 7.3 w/ 1/8" holes. Was running 6.8 w/124's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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