HoMiE Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 On 3/11/2019 at 9:18 AM, xdf3 said: You're not going to track sights with a 0.10-0.15 split at few yards. What do you expect to see? It's not that grandmasters become supermen and they can see faster. You better be able to call your shot with whatever you need to see even at close hoser split distance. I’ve witnessed and been guilty of pulling off a target too soon because I did not see the sights lift. Did I have to have perfect sight alignment for a 2 yard target, no. But I would have to see the front of sight over top of slide and keep it there until shot fires or else I guarantee there is going to be a miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingpig Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 On 3/11/2019 at 11:18 AM, xdf3 said: You're not going to track sights with a 0.10-0.15 split at few yards. What do you expect to see? It's not that grandmasters become supermen and they can see faster. How about .15 splits on 6 yard targets? How about .15 splits in general? Are you telling me that nobody sees their sights at .15 splits? I know A class shooters with .15 splits that see their sights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdf3 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 15 hours ago, Flyingpig said: So at what distances would you say that top shooters start seeing/watching their sights? I'm curious as to when you think that top shooters might consider paying attention? At distances where you can blow pasters off the target I agree with your assumption. ANYTHING farther than that they are seeing their sights. Probably at 7+ yards (of course it can't be the same for everybody). You can also give a look at best open shooters to see how it would be impossible to track dot movement, you just know you can double tap under X distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdf3 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 15 hours ago, HoMiE said: You better be able to call your shot with whatever you need to see even at close hoser split distance. I’ve witnessed and been guilty of pulling off a target too soon because I did not see the sights lift. Did I have to have perfect sight alignment for a 2 yard target, no. But I would have to see the front of sight over top of slide and keep it there until shot fires or else I guarantee there is going to be a miss. I think there's no need to see the sights under 5 yards and you can throw off fast splits (0.10-0.15) with some training. 100ms is not much time considered that it's the time between the 2 shots, not the time you used to think "now i'm going to shoot again". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, xdf3 said: I think there's no need to see the sights under 5 yards and you can throw off fast splits (0.10-0.15) with some training. 100ms is not much time considered that it's the time between the 2 shots, not the time you used to think "now i'm going to shoot again". No matter how fast you can pull the trigger, it doesn’t take any longer to your your vision while doing so. You can focus on vision, or you can focus on speed, choice is yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highhope Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Visualize your plan in your mind as many time as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdf3 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 28 minutes ago, highhope said: Visualize your plan in your mind as many time as possible. Yes, and there is no downside to this, literally. Many shooters fail to do it, they just limit themselves. As many walk-ins as possible, and you can mimic it behind the stage before starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingpig Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 6 hours ago, xdf3 said: I think there's no need to see the sights under 5 yards and you can throw off fast splits (0.10-0.15) with some training. 100ms is not much time considered that it's the time between the 2 shots, not the time you used to think "now i'm going to shoot again". So with this logic you would shoot a 4 yard bill drill differently than you would shoot a 7 yard bill drill? I would argue that top shooters would shoot them exactly the same which is by seeing their sights for both drills with the same splits (or very close to the same splits). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 47 minutes ago, Flyingpig said: So with this logic you would shoot a 4 yard bill drill differently than you would shoot a 7 yard bill drill? I would argue that top shooters would shoot them exactly the same which is by seeing their sights for both drills with the same splits (or very close to the same splits). That does not appear to be the way that Mr.Enos did things (page 66 , Practical Shooting beyond fundamentals). Great stuff on different types of shooting based on target difficulty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lastcat Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Live fire Practice. Those I know that are doing really well and going up in their Class, are the ones that practice weekly and attend as many Matches per month as they can. If you can get USPSA Paper Targets, get them out and practice. Slow fire, rapid fire, match mode and fast as you can mode. Then get to a Match at least once a week. Keep that up for a year and you should see improvement. Practice, practice and more practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Lastcat said: Practice, practice and more practice. And, dry fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lastcat Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 32 minutes ago, Hi-Power Jack said: And, dry fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayFront36 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Mental preparation is the only advice I can give. Even then - sometimes you forget a target or take an extra shot and it throws your plan out the window. Being an all around good shooter helps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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