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Production to 15 rounds instead of 10.

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15 rounds doesn’t add any challenge to the division, it only excludes more guns from competition. When most stages have max of 8 shots from a single view, you’re saving at most 1 reload if it’s a loaded gun start with 15+1. Then you have no room for error or extra shots on steel. If it’s an unloaded gun start, you’re doing a reload anyway.

 

If members are allowed to vote, I vote for 10 rounds in production. 

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15 hours ago, Matt1 said:

I agree that the “freedom” and “confidence” of more capacity is good but in reality with 8-9 shot arrays (at least in IPSC) you still have to reload almost as often (unless you like going to slide lock a lot).

 

In USPSA, while stage designs cannot require more than 8 shots from a single view/location, only very lazy and hackneyed stage design will consistently have one 8-round array after another.  Good field courses will often have many targets available from multiple locations, and/or things broken up into "uneven" batches of targets, thus posing interesting choices about where to reload and how to choose which targets will be engaged from where.  

 

Of course, in matches with MD's who don't have any understanding of what makes good stage design, we do sometimes encounter nothing but one 8-shot array from an obvious shooting location after another.  But barring those kind of lazy designs, a 10-to-15 switch absolutely can make a difference in terms of strategy and choices.  

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2 hours ago, Racinready300ex said:

 

Also, when ever you have a shot right on the perf with a 40, there is a good chance the 9 would be out. You can potentially pick up a few points here and there over the course of a match just by luck.

And potentially lose points by hitting that no shoot. 

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2 hours ago, ATLDave said:

In USPSA, while stage designs cannot require more than 8 shots from a single view/location, only very lazy and hackneyed stage design will consistently have one 8-round array after another. 

 

Consistently being the operative term.

On a six stage match I really like it when there is one 8-8-8-8 no brainer in the mix, do not care if it is heavy on the  front sight or all shoot and scoot.

 

Sorry, side issue.

 

And now, back to bitching about number of rounds. 

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1 hour ago, GrumpyOne said:

And potentially lose points by hitting that no shoot. 

 

True, but I try not to get that close to NS's. But close C's happen all the time.

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1 hour ago, IHAVEGAS said:

Consistently being the operative term.

On a six stage match I really like it when there is one 8-8-8-8 no brainer in the mix, do not care if it is heavy on the  front sight or all shoot and scoot.

 

Sorry, side issue.

The point is just that there are (or should be, if MD's aren't dimwits) a fair number of stages where 10-vs-15 does make a difference, because they're not all multiples of 8.  

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Not to try and change the subject. But who/why was it desided that production had to be scored minor?  I mean hell limiting a guy to 10 and no single action guns should been bad enough.

Edited by usmc1974

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32 minutes ago, ATLDave said:

The point is just that there are (or should be, if MD's aren't dimwits) a fair number of stages where 10-vs-15 does make a difference, because they're not all multiples of 8.  

 

Understood. 

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33 minutes ago, usmc1974 said:

Not to try and change the subject. But who/why was it desided that production had to be scored minor?  I mean hell limiting a guy to 10 and no single action guns should been bad enough.

 

Because the ammo only has to meet 125 pf so it gets scored minor.

 

I guess we could change Production to be like SS with minor 10 and major 8 but that seem silly.

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Open major. Just like the Open we have now.

Open minor. Basically Open but only 125pf minor scoring and 155mm mag length limit. CO would roll into this easily as there would be no need for weight rules and mod rules as it's open.

 

Limited major. Just like we have now.

 

Sport. Roll SS, L-10 and Prod into this division. Keep the 8 rounds, .40 cal and bigger can score major. Allow minor scored gun to hold 10 rounds. Holster rules like SS. Mag pouch rules like Limited. There is a box to fit, the Prod dimensions. A max weight for everyone, 46oz max with empty mag. Revolver would default to here as well, major 6 round and minor 8 round for scoring.  A little free for all, a bunch rolled into one. Should be able to accommodate a very wide range of guns and new shooters who maybe have things done to their gun before showing up

 

PCC- Just like it is now but limited to 30 rounds in a mag at start.

 

If I was king, that's what I'd propose if we're gonna talk wholesale changes and end up with just 5 division.

Edited by rowdyb

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Interesting I thought.

With 15 I'm thinking start on the right - 4 rounds - reload - 6 rounds - move - 7 rounds - reload - 6 rounds - 6 rounds. 

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3 hours ago, IHAVEGAS said:

 

Interesting I thought.

With 15 I'm thinking start on the right - 4 rounds - reload - 6 rounds - move - 7 rounds - reload - 6 rounds - 6 rounds. 

I was there, I shot that stage right to left, didn’t need to reload with my 30+1 big stick in Open. 

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