Jamese35 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 6 hours ago, Blurryvisions said: You must not have ever been around a good shooter then... who cares about 25 yard groups anyway. If you are trying to get a Glock to group at 25 yards I would smile and say good day to you sir My glock groups great at 25 yards, in fact I'll shoot a 8 inch plat all day long at 100 yard with it. As for the 25 yard A zone, from what I tend to see in my area most people don't slow down enough to take a good sight picture on all the shots. You can't shoot faster then you can see the sights. The reason you do good on A zone head shots I'd because you know it's a smaller target so you take a split second longer to make sure your sights are lined up properly. It also helps to really learn where the A zone is so when it's covered be a shirt or at a longer range you don't have to look for the notches in the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reverse_edge Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Blurryvisions said: You must not have ever been around a good shooter then... who cares about 25 yard groups anyway. If you are trying to get a Glock to group at 25 yards I would smile and say good day to you sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosswoodford Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I noticed my groups expand dramatically going from 15 yards to 25. I brought the target back in to 15 and worked my way out until I had consistent A zone hits with 5 shot groups. I know that’s not terribly specific I but I hope it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparten8654 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 On 7/3/2018 at 6:41 PM, usmc1974 said: Lol WOW. You win. Actually you win with your profile Pic to bad the picture cant be larger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Want to shoot good groups at 25? Start by shooting one hole groups at 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdf3 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 13 hours ago, rowdyb said: Want to shoot good groups at 25? Start by shooting one hole groups at 5. One hole groups? What if that never happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmtyndall Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 26 minutes ago, xdf3 said: One hole groups? What if that never happens? I think he's saying the fundamentals are the same whether you're shooting 5 or 25 yards. The 25 yard target is a little blurrier and harder to see but everything that happens at the gun is the same. You find a precise points of aim, align the sights, press the trigger straight and smooth and then the bullet hits the target. If you just look at angular deviation a 3" 25 yard group is like shooting a 0.6" group at 5 yards. With a 9mm that essentially means that all of your bullet holes have to touch each other to meet the goal. In fact if you measure a 0.6" group center to center then it should fit entirely under a quarter at 5 yards. I might be able to do that with my wife's 1911. No chance I could do it with my M&P. That's not to say I can shoot a 3" group at 25 yards either. The target is so out of focus for me that I struggle to get a consistent sight alignment/sight picture. But at least I know fundamentally what I should be doing lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 OK, what I am saying is you need to demonstrate the ability to shoot a 3 to 5 shot group, at 3 to 5 yards where all holes touch and form one hole. Look at the example in one of Tim Herron's videos where he puts a target at 7yards and a target directly in line behind it at 25y. You can not see the 25 yard target, but you shoot your absolute best group at 7y, then you go and look at what that ends up at 25 yards. You extrapolate for yourself just what your grip, trigger control and sight movement equals in shooting performance. If you don't have the ability to shoot those small of groups up close you can not shoot all A groups at 25 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I used to work with a similar drill. Standing, six shot group at 15 yards. The goal: all the bullet holes touch. In other words, no bullet hole with paper all the way around it. In addition to a great skill test, your pistol must be very accurate (2 1/2 groups from a bench at 50 yards). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessesmith121 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I seen a guy post a video about groups once that was pretty cool. He (if that is how they identify) set up 2 targets. One at 5 yards and one directly behind it at 25. The results were pretty interesting. just goes to show how small the group needs to be at 5 yards to create a good group at distance. I understand that isn't super sciency but I thought it was pretty neat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwikel Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 37 minutes ago, jessesmith121 said: I seen a guy post a video about groups once that was pretty cool. He (if that is how they identify) set up 2 targets. One at 5 yards and one directly behind it at 25. The results were pretty interesting. just goes to show how small the group needs to be at 5 yards to create a good group at distance. I understand that isn't super sciency but I thought it was pretty neat That guy is mostly likely posting in the thread already. Jesse say Hi to TimH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessesmith121 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Tim H? Need more info than that. It was some random facebook video cant remember who made it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwikel Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, jessesmith121 said: Tim H? Need more info than that. It was some random facebook video cant remember who made it Tim Herron aka the nicest guy in competitive shooting http://timherronshooting.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessesmith121 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 wow, seems like a nice guy... A little short tho. lol.... Im just messing about, I love old Timmy and hate that NM stole him from the Midwest. Tim has actually given me some of the best advise I've ever received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) On 7/3/2018 at 10:20 PM, jkrispies said: Oh bulls#!t. If you put the dot on the target guess what? you are f....ing aiming. I don't care how many titles you have you got there by practice practice and aiming your highly custom gun with 1 pound trigger. Edited March 31, 2019 by usmc1974 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY BARONE Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 USMC you are wrong he got there with his God given talent and a little practice. He also does not need a one pound trigger given his revolver titles. His guns are no different than any others except he can shoot them really well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 15 hours ago, TONY BARONE said: USMC you are wrong he got there with his God given talent and a little practice. He also does not need a one pound trigger given his revolver titles. His guns are no different than any others except he can shoot them really well. You do not get to where he is with little practice. Unless you call 10-20 thousand rounds of month a little practice, nor did he get there shooting a Hi-Point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) On 3/20/2019 at 8:31 AM, Sparten8654 said: Edited April 1, 2019 by usmc1974 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmtyndall Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Oh bulls#!t. If you put the dot on the target guess what? you are f....ing aiming. I don't care how many titles you have you got there by practice practice and aiming your highly custom gun with 1 pound trigger. You don't understand the point hes making? Theres a difference between precisely aiming the shot and just putting the dot in the A zone. The point is pull the trigger quickly without disturbing the gun. If your sights wobble in a 4 inch circle you'll shoot a 4 inch group by pulling the trigger without disturbing the gun. If you hold a half inch dot as your aim point then push the gun 0.1" low and 0.1" left every time you pull the trigger then your shot goes 6" low left. To me it's fairly obvious what he's saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elguapo Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 5 hours ago, jmtyndall said: You don't understand the point hes making? Theres a difference between precisely aiming the shot and just putting the dot in the A zone. The point is pull the trigger quickly without disturbing the gun. If your sights wobble in a 4 inch circle you'll shoot a 4 inch group by pulling the trigger without disturbing the gun. If you hold a half inch dot as your aim point then push the gun 0.1" low and 0.1" left every time you pull the trigger then your shot goes 6" low left. To me it's fairly obvious what he's saying it's the internet. Somebody's gotta be wrong and someone has to correct him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, jmtyndall said: You don't understand the point hes making? Theres a difference between precisely aiming the shot and just putting the dot in the A zone. The point is pull the trigger quickly without disturbing the gun. If your sights wobble in a 4 inch circle you'll shoot a 4 inch group by pulling the trigger without disturbing the gun. If you hold a half inch dot as your aim point then push the gun 0.1" low and 0.1" left every time you pull the trigger then your shot goes 6" low left. To me it's fairly obvious what he's saying Hummmmmmm! Is he holding the gun with both hands? Is he bringing the gun up to eye level? is he looking through the window at the red dot? Is the Red Dot on the target ?guess what? that's called aiming! I swear, don't be a mushroom! Edited April 2, 2019 by usmc1974 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elguapo Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, usmc1974 said: Hummmmmmm! Is he holding the gun with both hands? Is he bringing the gun up to eye level? is he looking through the window at the red dot? Is the Red Dot on the target ?guess what? that's called aiming! I swear, don't be a mushroom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmtyndall Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 it's the internet. Somebody's gotta be wrong and someone has to correct him.It's not even that someone is wrong. He just really wants to aggressively play semantics to show how smart he is. I'm sure he has several national championships.Anyways, he's successfully derailed the thread for those who want to distill down information from multiple sources and incorporate the helpful bits into their shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 1 hour ago, jmtyndall said: It's not even that someone is wrong. He just really wants to aggressively play semantics to show how smart he is. I'm sure he has several national championships. Anyways, he's successfully derailed the thread for those who want to distill down information from multiple sources and incorporate the helpful bits into their shooting. The OP wanted tight groups @25 yards, and your saying Ron's method is going to give them to him. correct? I am not that smart so I am asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookiee Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Paste an NRA B8 over an IPSC. If you're shooting inside of the 9 ring, you are more than fine shooting the A zone at 25 yards. If you deviate left and right of the A zone, you are moving the gun. Up and down is fine in relation to the A zone.[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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