B_RAD Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Paulie said: I’m about half way through a comparison of limited HHF changes, which I’ll post here tomorrow. Pucker factor more worthy of its name now.....get ready for this. HHF increased 18%. Yeah, mine went from 100% to 85%. I do think that one was an easier one, I'm not sure it was 15% too easy! Edited June 29, 2018 by B_RAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, tanks said: I don't think the changes are that drastic below GM scores. My "B" classifier scores averaged out to be 4.6% lower after I recalculated them. Most dropped between 3 to 9% after a careful look and one went up by 3%. I think you just happen to have shot lesser impacted classifiers. The % impact will be the same for everyone, as classes are just a percentage of one single number...the HHF. You could argue that D and B, being 40 and 25 pts wide respectively, will be most affected....but everyone is x percentage further from their goal depending on which classifier we are looking at. Edited June 29, 2018 by Paulie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tha1000 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Paulie said: I think you just happen to have shot lesser impacted classifiers. The % impact will be the same for everyone, as classes are just a percentage of one single number...the HHF. You could argue that D and B, being 40 and 25 pts wide respectively, will be most impacted....but everyone is x percentage further from their goal depending on which classifier we are looking at. Math it out. It’s percentages... B class is 60-75% of high hit factor. If high hit factor increases by 10%, B class will only see 60-75% of that gain, D class will see 2-40% of the change. The higher the classification, the more of the change will be reflected. Edited June 29, 2018 by tha1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAP Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 I shoot carry optics. I had 1 classifier 99-57 go from 62.2249% to 75.6028%. My HF is 5.1081 for that classifier. That’s a big jump. The rest of the classifiers were 2%-4% lower. Still B class.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Interesting. On CM 99-11 (El Presidente) for the PCC competitor a clean run at 5 seconds will get you a 95.6% classifier. That same 5 second run with an Open gun get you an 88.4% classifier. Looks like the big difference is the PCC reload. Need to keep working on those. After a good night sleep I think I'll review the classifiers that include a mandatory reload and see how the Open and PCC hit factors compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixsomd Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Site is offline at this point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyman1876 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Interesting. On CM 99-11 (El Presidente) for the PCC competitor a clean run at 5 seconds will get you a 95.6% classifier. That same 5 second run with an Open gun get you an 88.4% classifier. Looks like the big difference is the PCC reload. Need to keep working on those. After a good night sleep I think I'll review the classifiers that include a mandatory reload and see how the Open and PCC hit factors compare. The reload shouldn’t make 7% difference. The start position on El Prez is what should make the difference imo. Not having to turn then draw saves a lot of time on a 5 second stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 Limited el prez is 22% higher HF. Went from 10.14 to 12.42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCTaylor Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) My production scores "would" drop an average of 8% across the board. What a kick in the nuts. Edited June 29, 2018 by SCTaylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 hour ago, tyman1876 said: The reload shouldn’t make 7% difference. The start position on El Prez is what should make the difference imo. Not having to turn then draw saves a lot of time on a 5 second stage. If correct, wouldn't the slower first shot in Open make the HHF for Open lower than that for PCC? For PCC 100% (HHF = 12.59) requires a clean run and a time of 4.76 seconds. For Open 100% (HHF = 13.57) requires a time of 4.42 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyman1876 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 If correct, wouldn't the slower first shot in Open make the HHF for Open lower than that for PCC? For PCC 100% (HHF = 12.59) requires a clean run and a time of 4.76 seconds. For Open 100% (HHF = 13.57) requires a time of 4.42 seconds.Sorry maybe my wording wasn’t the best but yes that is what I was trying to say. My opinion is that PCC should be a higher HHF than Open, for that particular COF anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, tyman1876 said: Sorry maybe my wording wasn’t the best but yes that is what I was trying to say. My opinion is that PCC should be a higher HHF than Open, for that particular COF anyway. NVM already discussed... Edited June 29, 2018 by ChuckS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Just now, ChuckS said: Faster shooting but slower reload? Slower transitions and minor scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) Summary below is small in post. Click on image and zoom for better look. Edited June 29, 2018 by Paulie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 28 minutes ago, ChuckS said: NVM already discussed... Sorry, who or what is NVM? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Flatland Shooter said: Sorry, who or what is NVM? Thanks. Nvm nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 27 minutes ago, HoMiE said: Slower transitions and minor scoring. My HHF calc assumes a clean run (all "A") so major/minor does not come into play. For me, transitions not really slower with PCC but reloads are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 27 minutes ago, Paulie said: Summary below is small in post. Click on image and zoom for better look. Now you'll just see matches with only ones in the green. Gamers gonna game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Weird if I did that right, my % would of went up. #ghostgm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, HoMiE said: Nvm nevermind The one thing that my youngest daughter knew pushed my buttons was to end a discussion with "nevermind" and then walk off. And dang it, now they even have abbreviations for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Flatland Shooter said: The one thing that my youngest daughter knew pushed my buttons was to end a discussion with "nevermind" and then walk off. And dang it, now they even have abbreviations for it. Fml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 47 minutes ago, Paulie said: Summary below is small in post. Click on image and zoom for better look. You sure El prez is right? I think the previous hhf is more like 10.8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, B_RAD said: You sure El prez is right? I think the previous hhf is more like 10.8? Sorry. Yep, 10.8...must have fat-fingered that one. Other corrections welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Just now, Paulie said: Sorry. Yep, 10.8...must have fat-fingered that one. Other corrections welcome! What division was that spreadsheet for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, HoMiE said: What division was that spreadsheet for? Limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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