John-ny Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Hey guys. New to the forum. I have e searched already and found a bit of info. But wanted to know if anyone had advise. I have 115gn zero fmj 9mm hullets, using titegroup and federal 100 primers. I've been running 4gn with decent results but wanted to up the charge. I have hornadys reloading manual, Lyman and Sierra and they all give different loads for the 115gn fmj round. Sierra says with titegroup I can run 4.5gn max load, hornady stops well before that, and hodgon site says 4.3 is max. I have a lee pro auto disc that will dump 4.4. Do you guys think that's a safe load of I run a 1.125 oal or is that pushing the limits. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36873687 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 You really need to buy a chronograph. Just watch signs of pressure . Flat primers. U used to load on them disk they were pain. U should try the auto drum it’s sweet. An idk if your plinking but 124 at up grain Bullet feel so much bettter to shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36873687 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 I have loaded out to 1.145 an as short 1.110 in 9 minor. An used bunch tG powder just not much 115 grain Bullets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-ny Posted June 14, 2018 Author Share Posted June 14, 2018 I'm using the 115 cause that's what was locally available and it's cheap, I'm waiting on my delivery of mg 147gn flat points I run with 3.6gn of tg. These are just plinking rounds to keep me fresh in between competitions locally. I have a drum for my rifle rounds but the disc for the pistol. I was thinking about buying the add on piece for the disc to make the loads precise. But after 300 rounds they actually all drop at 4gn checking them on my frankford arsenal scale. And yes I know I need to chrono. Biggest problem is I dont have land to set up a chrono. For my rifles I use a magneto speed so I can go to the indoor range. But can't attach the magneto speed to my g19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36873687 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Your close on pf with tg but the g19 with 4 inch barrel. I may have some charges wrote down. I used 115 in the start of my reloading career. I’ll check for ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-ny Posted June 14, 2018 Author Share Posted June 14, 2018 24 minutes ago, 36873687 said: Your close on pf with tg but the g19 with 4 inch barrel. I may have some charges wrote down. I used 115 in the start of my reloading career. I’ll check for ya I know the short barrel is not ideal but it's my ccw and all I have at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityShooter Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Hodgdon's web site's "Reloading Data Center" lists the maximum charge of TG with a 115 gr JHP at 4.8 grains and 4.3 grains with a 115 gr Lead RN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-ny Posted June 14, 2018 Author Share Posted June 14, 2018 Ok so 4.4 should be safe then. Its awfully close to sierras max of 4.5gn. But that's why I'm questioning because 4 sources give 4 different loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColCornelius Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 I worked up loads for 115gr JHP (winchester) and 115gr TMJ RN (Speer) using a chronograph. Final loads were 4.4gr Titegroup. 115gr TMJ RN, coal 1.135": 1,139 fps ave Glock G19, KKM Match Barrel 115gr JHP (win), coal 1.135": 1,105 fps ave Glock G19, KKM Match Barrel 115gr JHP (win) , coal 1.085": 1,152 fps ave Glock G19, KKM Match Barrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-ny Posted June 14, 2018 Author Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, ColCornelius said: I worked up loads for 115gr JHP (winchester) and 115gr TMJ RN (Speer) using a chronograph. Final loads were 4.4gr Titegroup. 115gr TMJ RN, coal 1.135": 1,139 fps ave Glock G19, KKM Match Barrel 115gr JHP (win), coal 1.135": 1,105 fps ave Glock G19, KKM Match Barrel 115gr JHP (win) , coal 1.085": 1,152 fps ave Glock G19, KKM Match Barrel Awesome thank you. I purchased a wilson barrel for the g19. Do you think those loads will run well since the wilson is designed with a 1:16 twist for lighter bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevadabob Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 My Titegroup load for 115's is using the Lee Pro Auto Disk hole #37 and I drop 4.1 - 4.2 grains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Without published data on your specific bullet and powder, it is not possible to know what is going on. Your window to pressure is velocity. So get a chrono if you want to reload. It is basic equipment for reloaders. Like having a scale and calipers. You have no idea what is going on if you do not have experience and those who have experience use a chrono. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-ny Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, lgh said: Without published data on your specific bullet and powder, it is not possible to know what is going on. Your window to pressure is velocity. So get a chrono if you want to reload. It is basic equipment for reloaders. Like having a scale and calipers. You have no idea what is going on if you do not have experience and those who have experience use a chrono. Thanks mom. As I said and as I said earlier I have a chrono for my rifles but seeing as theres nowhere outside I can shoot I'm limited to indoor ranges. And they won't let you set up a chrono inside their lanes. So I am watching my group sizes and watching for pressure the same way I do running 26.8gn of cfe223 for my 55gnfmj rounds. So until I find a place to actually set up a chrono I was looking for data that's proven to be safe and reliable . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 As long as your fired primers show no pressure signs you should be ok pressure wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 10 hours ago, John-ny said: I'm limited to indoor ranges. And they won't let you set up a chrono inside their lanes. That makes it tough. I can't check my loads outside in the winter and get stuck indoors as well. I ended up getting a Magnetospeed chrono to circumvent the problem. And I have a similar problem to yours. I have 10k Precision 115gr truncated FN I need to use up. Load data is for RN. Nomally the FP would load longer but I need shorter than the RN to pass the plunk test in the PCC. So I know I will be dealing with higher pressure than reported in the load data because the case volume is less than the published data. I took the lowest published range for the RN and did a ladder staying well below the max. Checked vel using a Magnetospeed on a G17. (Glocks are OK at +P). Top load was over Vmax although no pressure signs on the brass. (Switched to a different powder and did the same ladder and had no problems with Vmax or pressure signs.) The point is, if you do not have a chrono, be careful. And sorry if I sounded motherly. I am very safety conscious and think the most responsible thing to tell people is to be careful if you do not have a chrono and and do not have specific load data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-ny Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, lgh said: That makes it tough. I can't check my loads outside in the winter and get stuck indoors as well. I ended up getting a Magnetospeed chrono to circumvent the problem. And I have a similar problem to yours. I have 10k Precision 115gr truncated FN I need to use up. Load data is for RN. Nomally the FP would load longer but I need shorter than the RN to pass the plunk test in the PCC. So I know I will be dealing with higher pressure than reported in the load data because the case volume is less than the published data. I took the lowest published range for the RN and did a ladder staying well below the max. Checked vel using a Magnetospeed on a G17. (Glocks are OK at +P). Top load was over Vmax although no pressure signs on the brass. (Switched to a different powder and did the same ladder and had no problems with Vmax or pressure signs.) The point is, if you do not have a chrono, be careful. And sorry if I sounded motherly. I am very safety conscious and think the most responsible thing to tell people is to be careful if you do not have a chrono and and do not have specific load data. How did you use a magneto speed on your g17. My g19 has no tail to use the adapter and with the slide moving howd you strap it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, John-ny said: How did you use a magneto speed on your g17. My G17 has the accessory rail on the dust cover. The Magnetospeed V3 is the model that has a rail adapter. Snaps right on. Pricey at $400 but I was really in a bind if I wanted to chrono during the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-ny Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 37 minutes ago, lgh said: My G17 has the accessory rail on the dust cover. The Magnetospeed V3 is the model that has a rail adapter. Snaps right on. Pricey at $400 but I was really in a bind if I wanted to chrono during the winter. The g19 has a rinky dink rail just in front of the sn plate. It only has one slice for I guess a small flashlight. Maybe I can buy the adapter for use with my magnetospeed sporter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 4 hours ago, John-ny said: The g19 has a rinky dink rail just in front of the sn plate. It only has one slice for I guess a small flashlight. Maybe I can buy the adapter for use with my magnetospeed sporter That's the rail and it works. The bayonet snaps right on. I'm pretty sure you can't update the sporter bayonet. But maybe a new V3 bayonet would work . Check with magnetospeed and let folks know what you find out. These are nice units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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