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Switching to Red Dot - need help

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Hi guys,

I´m sure this subject was discussed before, but I couldn´t find it.

 

My older becoming eyes drive me to shoot my pistola with a Red Dot.

Having a Docter Sight II on a Q5 now.

 

I trained with this combo, but still have no clue how to aim and so on.

Should I focus on the Dot?

 

Please teach me some.

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Focus on the targets with both eyes open.

 

The dot appears superimposed on the target wherever you’re about to punch a hole.

 

Learning NOT to focus on the sight is the hard part about moving from irons to a handgun dot.

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58 minutes ago, MemphisMechanic said:

Focus on the targets with both eyes open.

 

The dot appears superimposed on the target wherever you’re about to punch a hole.

 

Learning NOT to focus on the sight is the hard part about moving from irons to a handgun dot.

This will not be a problem for me next year when I give an optic a try. 

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Thanks Memphis, yes, I have some trouble with the dot, shooting irons for over 25 years now.

But I will practice and hopefully come over it.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, jayjay1 said:

 

 I will practice and overcome it.

 

Exactly, the correct type of practice will overcome the problem.

 

LOTS of practice    :cheers:

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I haven't used a dot on pistols myself, but recall people initially having trouble finding the dot at all.

 

You can see iron sights well before they are on the target. With a dot, you have to get the gun pretty close without that reference, or learn to use some other reference. Ideally, the sight should go on the A zone even if you draw with your eyes closed.

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3 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said:

Focus on the targets with both eyes open.

 

The dot appears superimposed on the target wherever you’re about to punch a hole.

 

Learning NOT to focus on the sight is the hard part about moving from irons to a handgun dot.

 This is very true. People don’t realize that you need a little bit of training to use a.dot well, especially if you spent a lot of time using iron sights. What you’ll find is if you focus on the dot it will actually be blurry, whereas if you focus on the target and place the dot on top of the target, it will sharpen into a nice round dot. Really practice snapping your eyes to the target and then bringing the dot onto it (as you should aim anyways) and you’ll actually find yourself not only being faster but more accurate. 

Edited by jkrispies

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4 hours ago, SilverBolt said:

Stay target focused and the dot will appear on the target.  

 

Unfortunately, it did NOT for me when I first got started 11 years ago    :( 

 

Took lots of practice to "find the dot" quickly.

 

And, even worse when it was an unusual position.

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I’m not big on dry fire but when I switched to Open it is what helped me acquire the dot. Took a few solid weeks to be able to draw and get the dot instantly. Then a few more weeks of dry fire weak hand, strong hand, around corners, table starts etc.

  weakhand is murder if you don’t Drill it a lot

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I just switched to a red dot for the same reasons. The transition is not to bad as I shot Bulleye for 5 or 6 seasons. The parts I’m struggling with are;

 

1. Picking up the dot.

2. Kepping both eye open.

3. Squeezing off the shot.

 

Practice will help all but I fall back on Bulleyes so 1 and 2 will require lots of work and 3 is a tough one as even Rapid Fire round in Bullseye you get 10 seconds for 5 shorts, which is a lifetime in USPSA!

 

How do you get in all the “A Zones”, practice, practices, practice.

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Try covering front side of lens w/ any opaque material like a cardboard or tape. If target-focused, dot and target are visible. If dot-focused, target will not be visible. This helps in knowing where your focus is. And correcting it. Repeat until target focus is automatic. 

Got this technique from this forum. 

 

Eta. This may not work aiming behind grills and barricades. 

Edited by BoyGlock

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32 minutes ago, BoyGlock said:

Try covering front side of lens w/ any opaque material like a cardboard or tape. If target-focused, dot and target are visible. If dot-focused, target will not be visible. This helps in knowing where your focus is. And correcting it. Repeat until target focus is automatic. 

Got this technique from this forum. 

 

Eta. This may not work aiming behind grills and barricades. 

Assuming one would be looking at target with both eyes open....then do all the other stuff you mentioned...

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I'm messing around with a dot for all of the reasons listed above.  Being left handed and cross eye dominant, iron sights were always a challenge.  The dot will appear but you need to practice.  I dry fired for about a week before I began to see the dot consistently.  I have a Vortex Venom with a outer Impact dove tail mount in my M&P.

I don't shoot it too much. I still have the PCC bug really bad.

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On 6/13/2018 at 11:23 AM, MemphisMechanic said:

The dot appears superimposed on the target wherever you’re about to punch a hole.

This. You don't have to actually look at the dot. If you look at the dot and not the target you will chase the dot because the gun is going to be pointed to where your attention is.  With practice, the dot goes where your eyes are. That is, where your attention is. It just shows up while your attention is on the target. Target = where you want the bullet to go.

 

I have a friend who is a really good shot. Let him shoot my RDS and he sprayed the target all over the place because his attention was on the dot and not where he wanted the bullet to go. Classic.

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