Q: Traveling to matches with mag restrictions from a state without

[unknownusr]

Q: Do I need to purchase a new set of 10 round magazines to participate in a match in a restricted state (10 rounds)? I am traveling from a state that does not have any restrictions and currently have 17 round mags.

*I did a search for keywords: magazine restrictions, state restrictions, traveling matches and did not find the answer.

 

Thanks in advance. Seems obvious that the answer is yes, that I do need to purchase additional magazines with capacity limit of 10 rounds. Hoping I am wrong and for your input.

 

Clarifying criteria for question:

• I currently shoot production and enjoy loading 11 in 1st mag, to satisfy the 10 round start.
• I also prefer not to purchase additional mags if possible, but understand I may need to.
• It is just nice to have the larger capacity.

 

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[ChuckS]

There is no general answer. You need to research the laws of your destination state.

[davsco]

what state are you going to?

[unknownusr]

Thanks for the response @ChuckS

Hi @davsco , don't know, we haven't made plans yet, but are trying to decide where we should go.  Just figured i couldn't be the first traveling person to want to know, and wondered if someone had written their findings somewhere. Just saw that posts can't be edited on this forum after two days,  so maybe that's why this info isn't available.

 

Does anyone know of a website elsewhere that may give more information about this or where one would go to find out? I may just need to add this info as i learn about it to my own blog.  just figured a big forum like this one would have the info or know where to get it.

 

Thanks again, 

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[L3324temp]

Ultimately you need to read actual state laws available on all states web sites. There are many websites that summarize state laws but there could be errors or they may be a few days/weeks/months behind recent changes in laws. One small error on their part and your life as you know it could change forever.

 

But to answer your question. Here are a few:

 

https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state

 

https://www.gunstocarry.com/gun-laws-state/

 

And do not bring an 11rd mag to a 10rd state.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[davsco]

well since you have nothing in mind, just pick a 'free' state to do a match in.  even the so-called 'free state,' maryland, despite being mostly anti-2a, allows >10 round mags although you can't buy them there.  why contribute to the economy of a state that infringes on our 2a rights...

[Hi-Power Jack]

4 hours ago, unknownusr said:

 trying to decide where we should go.  

 

When you select a Match, ask the MD re: that state's regs     

 

E.g, if you select New York State, they must be 10 or under mags.

[mwray]

I wonder if you had a plug under your follower to limit the mag to 10 rounds would work? It seems to be cool for bird hunters on their shotgun.


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[Hi-Power Jack]

10 hours ago, mwray said:

 a plug under your follower to limit the mag to 10 rounds ?
 

Not in New York     

[jrdoran]

Most matches will allow you to load first round in chamber and then relload a full 10 round mag for a total of 11 at start of a stage.  

 

CT does NOT allow possession of mags > 10 rounds and it must be permanently altered.

 

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Connecticut law defines “large capacity magazine” to mean any firearm magazine, belt, drum, feed strip or similar device that has the capacity of, or can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition.¹

This definition does not include:

1. A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than ten rounds of ammunition;
2. A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device;
3. A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm; or
4. A magazine that is permanently inoperable.²

Any person who distributes, imports into the state, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, or purchases a large capacity magazine is criminally liable for a class D felony.³

Any person who possesses a large capacity magazine on or after January 1, 2014, that was obtained prior to April 5, 2013, commits an infraction and may be fined up to $90 for a first offense.⁴ A subsequent offense is a class D felony.  A person in possession of a large capacity magazine that was obtained on or after April 5, 2013, is guilty of a class D felony.⁵

 

 

 

[unknownusr]

Thanks for all the input. It's been crazy confusing to try and figure out how to attend a match in another state and do it legally. There seems to be a lot of individual state rules on various aspects of ownership, what defines possession, components that can be on firearms, and the rules on the magazine. Compounding that is the legal transportation of those firearms and ammunition by vehicle/plane legally, to get to the destination state.

 

I feel I may have opened up a can of worms, which is all the more reason why I figured there would be more clarity on this subject somewhere. I can't be the only person who has travelled to a match in a different state. How are you figuring out what to do to stay compliant? Is everyone repeating the same arduous task trying to understand legal language and hiring a lawyer for its interpretation? Do I need to become a lawyer as well as a gun owner?  I'm not sure if I would want to trust my own reading of a law. I bring up some questions below, but what am I missing or misunderstanding from my own reading? If I'm not aware of it, than how can I challenge it? What sources are trustworthy?

 

My initial plan was to have a list of several favourable states and then chose a destination. But perhaps it would be better to make our travel decisions first and if attending a match is available, then to add it to our itinerary.

 

@L3324temp, thanks for all the information. It was very helpful. Seems as though there are some apps that try to compile this. But you bring up a great point that laws are always changing. I am surprised that each state is not required to provide this information to a central .gov site to facilitate compliance. They could provide a lamen's explanation with how to interpret the law and place the legal language underneath. Sure, I would rather not have the need for this, but given the situation, I would chose this over becoming an unsuspecting felon. As you pointed out, the challenge for us owners, is who to trust and reading of laws are not always easy to interpret and apply to situations accurately with our individual knowledge. For instance, i am not a lawyer nor do I plan to allocate that much time and resource into becoming as proficient and therefore would not trust my reading of the law to keep me legal.

 

@davsco, good point. What I am finding is that there are restrictions on the 'purchase' of magazines greater than 10, but not always the ownership.

 

@mwray, good thought. I was wondering the same thing. I was looking at the common replacements for CZ Shadow 2 mags and people seem to favor Mec-Gar CZ75 10 round mags that are compatible. The MegGar mags seem to have an inward facing dimple/punch on the side of the mag that looks like it would prevent the follower from passing.

Does anyone own one of these mags and can they confirm what makes them "10 round mags?"

 

@Hi-Power Jack. Thanks for the tip on New York and match director. It does seem as if the current best option as of now is to do it piecemeal and ask, which provides timely and relevant information about a state's individual considerations. I see you are in FL, do you travel to NY often? What has been your experience traveling with firearms and compliance?

 

@jrdoran, thanks for the link. What was interesting about your text is the part about - "or can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition." Is there any clarity on what they determine to be a permanent modification? Would the Mec-Gar 10 round CZ75 magazine be legal in CT?

 

Thanks again for all the feedback.

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[Hi-Power Jack]

7 hours ago, unknownusr said:

Travelling with a gun isn't a problem, since it can be unloaded,

disassembled, and locked in a hard case, and most likely comply

with every states' laws - especially if you're on your way to a

pre-registered match.

The mags are another story, since some states BAN 11+ capacity mags.

I suspect that if they are not visible, and locked away, and you're travelling

thru the state, you should be fine    

7 hours ago, unknownusr said:

 

@Hi-Power Jack. What has been your experience traveling with firearms and compliance?

 

 

[unknownusr]

@Hi-Power Jack , thanks for the feedback. I think you may be on to something there. FOPA does cover a lot, and if you do not get pulled over, than the majority of the time you are safe with the process you described, and that it could have a lot more to do with the magazine restriction. 

 

Also, I do not recall having said, and did not see where I had written the quote below, that you credit me saying. Did you miss assign that credit? It looks like your response to my question.

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  On 5/28/2018 at 1:46 PM, unknownusr said:

Travelling with a gun isn't a problem, since it can be unloaded,

disassembled, and locked in a hard case, and most likely comply

with every states' laws - especially if you're on your way to a

pre-registered match.

 

 

Well, I'll keep doing some research, but appreciate all the feedback people have been giving.

Thank you.

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[mwray]

Interested to know the findings on this even tho I shoot single stack