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To shoot accurately by feel, you need A LOT of repetitions. But if you have A LOT of correct repetitions, you will always see the dot :)

So, unless you are Taran Butler literally shooting from the hip, see every shot. At least that is what Steve Anderson recommends. He goes so far as to say that double taps are not even desirable.

 

 

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On 10/29/2019 at 7:17 PM, shred said:

A long time ago I asked Todd Jarrett, who at the time was on his way to crushing every Area match, Nationals and I think the World Shoot that year if he saw his dot on every target, even crazy close 1-yard ones like the one I was asking about at.

 

He said "yeah.  I look at the targets to shoot them and the dot is there".   He didn't look _for_ the dot per-se, just had a good enough index that it was always where he was looking when he fired at a target.

 

There's a lot to that.  If you're looking at a target through your scope and the dot isn't there, your index (or your dot) has failed.

This ^^^^

the dot is so easy to see there’s no reason to not use it...if you don’t see it you’re likely not pointed where you think you are.

I like to see the dot on close targets because it gives you enough pause to not alpha/mike the target. 

 

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On 11/27/2019 at 11:11 AM, perttime said:

Can't you do what many seem to do with iron sight pistols on very close targets: see the profile of the entire pistol superimposed on the A-zone?

I do that with iron sighted guns but never with the open gun, there’s no need when you have a dot in front of you, it’s like a heads up display. Look at the target, when you see the dot pull the trigger 

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It's funny because after I shoot some close targets like you are describing sometimes I think about it and go "nope didn't see my dot." Also when the targets are close you can see the holes easily. I know its a bad habit but I tend to look for the two holes. A lot of time I probably do see my dot, my brain just doesn't process it or remember it. 

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On 5/20/2018 at 9:26 PM, kujo929 said:

That sounds like a fun experiment. Will have to set “can you count” up and try it.

 

 

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We have done that before at practice. Put a little piece of tap over the glass or don’t turn the dot on. You can actually hit the targets at a reasonable distance just off muscle memory alone

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i think im a mix of the two theories here. Id prefer to be accurate than fast(easy to type, harder to do) but, if youve got the dry firing and confidence to point shoot, do it. I think we all need to get to the point where we dont reall need the dot for close targets.

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On 5/20/2018 at 1:41 PM, Jake Di Vita said:

I shoot most open targets 5 yards and closer through index without any trouble whatsoever. Had a good example of this at a match last week. 3 targets basically arms length away at the start. I didn't even have the cmore in the line between my eye and the target on any of them and was done with the first 3 targets in 1.58. Those 3 targets were 4A 2C with the charlies being 1/16th inch off the A line in the center of the available target on a no-shoot partial. The hit factor of that area of the stage was about 17 (with the stage HHF being 13ish)...I'll take that every single time. Could I have done better by seeing the dot for every shot? Not likely. The key is you need to have trained enough for that strategy to be viable and completely repeatable on demand. If I was coaching a C class shooter with a crappy index through the match I would have told him to see the dot on every one of those shots. The best strategy depends entirely on the circumstances.

You shot a 1.58 sec (basically Blake Drill) in a match first 3 targets of a stage? thats Impressive.

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You know what is weird, I have shot entire stages and do not remember clearly seeing the dot on my open gun. I have won stages like that. I may be subconsciously finding the dot, but I never pause to think about it and confirm I have the dot in sight. That dot seems to be more for confirmation on longer shots than anything else. I have practiced so much that I don't really need to see anything at closer range targets because I feel comfortable on my index position. I just know that the bullet is going to hit the target. 

 

I think some of the shooters out there are not waiting long enough to allow the firearm to resettle. I hear a few people mention an alpha than a mike. You are shooting to fast or need to improve your grip.

 

Now for some shooting porn. Here is my friend Kincaid a while back shooting a drill: 

 

 

This was a game we had, called the Precision Hillbilly Challenge. 22 rounds at 7 yards, lowest time wins. To be fair, one would never do this, but I think it is important what Kincaid said about this drill. He mentioned how his splits at .11 second were a little fast and he noticed that he was drifting out of the A zone, so he slowed to .12 second splits. He was an amazing shooter for sure, but it proves that it is the speed that can ruin accuracy, not whether you see the dot

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Years ago a friend was shooting a stage with an Adco Shorty, he;d over torqued the 4-40 screws and they let go along with the scope.  He stopped looking at a huge ghost ring, everyone in the squad yelled "keep shooting!!"  He did with no mikes.  

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I tend to do well on the close open targets with good hits "without seeing the dot" by putting my base plate at the bottom of the A zone "your index may differ". Think the proper term is called "point shooting" works well for me and saves me time when seeing the dot will cost more time then I'm willing to give up.

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