Gviz Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) Hi everyone just new to OPEN. I have a 9 major full-size with a scheumann barrel no holes and a bedel 3hole Ti comp. I worked up a load using autocomp 7.6gr. With a PD 115gr JHP OAL 1.165 which netted 172pf. My question is what should be my starting point if I went with a MG 124 CMJ with VV 3n38 OAL 1.165? Thanks in advance! Edited May 17, 2018 by Gviz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furrly Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 8.6-8.8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadpilot Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 44 minutes ago, Furrly said: 8.6-8.8 Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gviz Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 Thanks for the info. I will start my load 8.6 and work my way up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 While you're at it, you might want to work up a load with the 3N38 and 115 gr JHP's you have lying around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gviz Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Hi-Power Jack said: While you're at it, you might want to work up a load with the 3N38 and 115 gr JHP's you have lying around Will do sir By the way, I started with autocomp because I was not comfortable with filling up the brass to the brim with powder. Now that’s in the books. I’m now gaining some experience with loading 9 major. Thanks again for the inputs and recommendations very much appreciate it. Hopefully with using 124gr bullet heads the powder won’t be too high up the neck of the brass... I hate to be spilling powder and cause inconsistent loads in the process. Edited May 17, 2018 by Gviz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furrly Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 With 124 it won't be to bad, but with 115 You will be tipping the rim.. That's the only issue with vv 3n38, otherwise it's probably one of the best powders for 9 major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Part_time_redneck Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 3N38 is as top tier as it gets. I ran it for a bit but loading was just a bit too much for me. I'm using HS-6 now but switched from MG to PD JHP's. They're a bit faster out of my barrel and might try 3N38 with them soon. If you're patient with loading you will love it. Don't let the volume scare you. Gives "fill ER' up" a whole different meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevrofreak Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I run 9gr of 3n38 behind a 115 and it is very full, but the kernel shape seems to help keep spillage to a minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 7 hours ago, Gviz said: I hate to be spilling powder and cause inconsistent loads in the process. I hear you ... That's why I am still using WAC - powder level is nice and low and I ain't spillin' nuttin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gviz Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 11 hours ago, Part_time_redneck said: 3N38 is as top tier as it gets. I ran it for a bit but loading was just a bit too much for me. I'm using HS-6 now but switched from MG to PD JHP's. They're a bit faster out of my barrel and might try 3N38 with them soon. If you're patient with loading you will love it. Don't let the volume scare you. Gives "fill ER' up" a whole different meaning. That’s what I’ve read 3n38 received a lot of praises so had to have a go at it. Then I will try HS6 with 115. Thanks for the recommendation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gviz Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said: I hear you ... That's why I am still using WAC - powder level is nice and low and I ain't spillin' nuttin' With my limited knowledge of reloading I went with the most talked about recipe. I read some of Sarge and your comments on why you like WAC and that made me decide to try that as my first 9 major powder. A lot of the members suggested to pair it with a lighter bullet from the normal 124gr that most OPEN shooters use. They say that the lighter the bullet 115gr the more powder to make PF and more gas to work the comp better. So with 7.6gr of WAC , PD 115gr JHP , OAL 1.165 , PF 172. This would be my best load for WAC. I have 1 range time and 1 match using it under my belt. I loaded 2000rds and I still have 1400 left. I’m still good for 2 matches and a practice session. I have nothing to compare the WAC load that I did since that was my first attempt with reloading 9 major and shooting an OPEN gun.This gives me time to experiment and gather data on the 2nd powder I would like to try. 3n38 with MG 124 CMJ OAL 1.165 and WSP primers was recommended by my gunsmith to be the optimum recipe for my build. I will have to check for myself if I could feel the difference and which powder and bullet head weight would I like better in the end (WAC 115gr vs 3n38 124gr.) I know it’s not a direct comparison since I will be using 124gr vs 115 but with my reloading experience I think I would have to settle using 124gr so I won’t run into spilling powder if I persue to use 115gr. i don’t know what to expect so fingers crossed Edited May 18, 2018 by Gviz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 It sure makes a LOT of sense to experiment, as you're planning on doing. I just went the opposite way - started with HS6 and 115's, then went to WAC with 124's ... I saw a slight difference - the HS6 is flatter than the WAC. BUT, that's the LEAST of my problems - shooting The Very Flattest Load would NOT get me from a low B to even a high B So, I bought a TON of WAC and a TON of 124 bullets, and I still have them. Maybe after they're all gone, I might buy a pound of 3N38 and give it a try - but not until I use up a TON of WAC. From my reading here, the 3N38 and the 115 grain bullets is The Best Load. But, I prefer the convenience of NOT having powder sloshing all over my SDB and bullets not separating from the case when being jammed into the chamber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Part_time_redneck Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Gviz, If you find that you like 3N38 but the volume gives you grief you might experiment with Accurate #7. It's much more dense powder and makes loading high charge weights much easier. The downside is some people find it close to filthy on the dirty scale. A lot of guys love it though. Just an alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gviz Posted May 18, 2018 Author Share Posted May 18, 2018 Couldnt stop myself from thinking about how inconsistent I would be if I did compare 115 vs 124 with different powders so I worked up a load of WAC 6.8, 7.0, 7.2 with MG 124 CMJ OAL 1.165. Would like to make 172PF hoping I get close... Im starting with 6.8gr of WAC im guessing it will be close to where I needed to start. Now just need to set a date to chrono these loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 57 minutes ago, Gviz said: Im starting with 6.8gr of WAC & guessing it will be close It should be close. You'll probably discover that the lighter bullet feels a little better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furrly Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, Hi-Power Jack said: It should be close. You'll probably discover that the lighter bullet feels a little better It will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevrofreak Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Part_time_redneck said: Gviz, If you find that you like 3N38 but the volume gives you grief you might experiment with Accurate #7. It's much more dense powder and makes loading high charge weights much easier. The downside is some people find it close to filthy on the dirty scale. A lot of guys love it though. Just an alternative. 10.5gr of AA7 under a 115 feels great, isn't overly full, and I didn't find it dirty at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxdc Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Fyi 124 PD jhp 1.170 oal mixed brass 5in KKM barrel and NO holes 11 port comp ... 5 on top 3 draft on each side. 8.5 grs 3n38 1401 avg 173 PF Love this load!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gviz Posted May 20, 2018 Author Share Posted May 20, 2018 Thanks for the info rxdc. Will have to start 8.4gr just to be sure i ordered a pound just waiting for it to arrive so I can do test loads and chrono WAC and 3n38 side by side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 7 hours ago, Gviz said: Will have to start 8.4gr just to be sure I'd start lower than 8.4 - you might need only 8.0 to reach PF 172 - depends on your barrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gviz Posted July 3, 2018 Author Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) Sorry it took so long... Lets do a short recap. I started with autocomp 7.6gr. With a PD 115gr JHP OAL 1.165 which netted 172pf looking to compare 115 with WAC vs 124 and vv3n38 thought that it was not a direct comparison 115 vs 124 with different powders. so to have a better comparison I started loading up MG 124gr CMJ with WAC so I have loads to compare it with the VV 3n38 so I loaded MG 124 CMJ and worked it up at 7.0 grains of wac to get 172pf. While shooting different loads I could not feel a difference while I was testing the 124s it felt the same as my 115s and since I did not have any 115 with me while I was testing my reloads I did not have anything to compare it with. So i went back the next week and shot 115 and 124 and still I could not feel the difference. I loaded 2 mags and switched them around did not check which had the 115 or 124s still could not say which was which. Forgot to bring the chrono so I was not able to check if I have the same PF for both bullet heads... next practice i set up the chrono and shot 115 and it’s 172 PF then checked the 124s and it checked out at 172 PF shot them side by side again for the 3rd time and man I really could not feel any difference hahahaha! Now I’m beginning to think is this still worth the work and investment lol I can’t even feel 115 vs 124. Would I be able to feel the difference of WAC vs vv 3n38 In my hands? I’m sure my pocket will feel the difference My main goal was to load VV 3n38 with MG 124 CMJ with VV 3n38 OAL 1.165 but before that I wanted to setup my 650 to load 115s without making a mess and sacrifice load consistency. So I ordered some 650 mods to stop powder spillage. Now that the parts arrived I started reloading 115 with vv 3n38 but the darn thing keeps flicking powder even when I go very slow. Everytime it goes to index on the next station I hear a faint click and it flicks powder upwards. I’ve been cutting springs and changing the balls with different combinations from other mods maker and still could not get rid of that ticking sound and darn powder flicking every single time it moves from station 3 to 4! Now I have cut too much of the spring the shell plate won’t click into place and I’m rolling the primers and shoving them sideways on the primer pocket. Grrr very frustrating. Edited July 3, 2018 by Gviz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 If you cannot get 3N38 to work, try how you do with 3N37. Pressure will be higher and gas less, but you need less of it and it seems very compact to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gviz Posted July 3, 2018 Author Share Posted July 3, 2018 Do I have to take out my mr bullet feeder and just put the bullet on the down stroke to avoid spillage? Is that how you guys are loading 3n38 with 115gr bullets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevrofreak Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Gviz said: Do I have to take out my mr bullet feeder and just put the bullet on the down stroke to avoid spillage? Is that how you guys are loading 3n38 with 115gr bullets? The bullet feeder actually helps prevent spillage by leaving only 1 station where the powder can spill during rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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