BenAlpha Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I'm about to order a new BUL SAS UR open gun (israeli made) and there's an option for a full or cut dust cover. I'm a small guy with small hands and the gun smith said heavier is better. Why is it that I rarely see full dust cover ones? which one should i choose? I shot both, without sights and they felt different, not by much. (10 rounds each) It was my first time shooting open so my mind was overwhelmed, can't decide. Also, should i opt for the TiN barrel? Help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) All personal preference. Lots of top guys seem to be going back to full dust covers. I run cut back full dust covers (Roughly 4/5 of a full one very similar to a traditional butler cut). Edited May 16, 2018 by Maximis228 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcazes Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I prefer full Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenAlpha Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 Keep 'em coming. Also, take notice that it has a plastic grip that I can't switch for a metal one because they are not imported to israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillywig Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 You'll love this... Get both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cecil Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I prefer "cut back" dust covers.. much easier to remove the guide rod.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcazes Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, cecil said: I prefer "cut back" dust covers.. much easier to remove the guide rod.. Dust cover doesn't effect removal..... at least never has for me. Get a Dawson tooless if you want even easier removal. Edited May 16, 2018 by tcazes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenAlpha Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Maximis228 said: Lots of top guys seem to be going back to full dust covers. Why did they go to cut dust covers to begin with? haha. Isn't a full dust cover just more "dead" weight and that's good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcazes Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Shorter, lighter, faster transitions. Just requires more muscle to grip and keep it flat. Shorties, minor of, and real light make for a great steel challenge gun or open 3 gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenAlpha Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 No steel challenges here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDL Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 The cut frame looks more finished and the light weight at the end of the gun will help with transitions. But. Get the one you like the best. The biggest problem with shooting open is pulling the trigger when you are not on the target not the pistol frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echotango Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 In the pictures above, your slide will be heavier with the LDC version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, BenAlpha said: No steel challenges here not anymore. and metal grip will not fit for this gun. full dust cover it's more metal for same price Edited May 17, 2018 by yigal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I'd go for short. The slide has more weight reduction in non-critical areas, so reciprocating mass is reduced. That's a good thing. Plus it will cycle and transition faster. If they use a cone comp, that's even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I dont know a single person using a coned comp set up. That is older tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 minute ago, zzt said: I'd go for short. The slide has more weight reduction in non-critical areas, so reciprocating mass is reduced. That's a good thing. Plus it will cycle and transition faster. If they use a cone comp, that's even better. +1 yes, they use cone comp. and with short dust cover for 9mm minor it doesn't jump at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenAlpha Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) Looks like the full dust cover jumps less for me. Are you guys sure the weight difference between the two slides is significant? *yes, i shot both without sights Edited May 17, 2018 by BenAlpha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 The FDC should rise slightly less than the short, because there is more weight out front. I have two 2011 Open guns. One is full dust cover with a bull barrel. The other one is short with a coned barrel. The short moves faster, cycles faster and is softer to shoot. The only difference between the two guns you are comparing is the length of the DC and the weight of the slide. If I really liked the look of the long, I'd go that way. There isn't going to be a big difference either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenAlpha Posted June 11, 2018 Author Share Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) Went for the full dust cover. Waiting on the optic, and installing a dawson ice magwell and go-gun thumb rest when they come in. Edited June 11, 2018 by BenAlpha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedevil008 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Didn't know these things were out in public yet. Do they provide any advantage over SPS... STI? They don't appear to be the level of quality that the high end custom gun makers are at, but that's just best guess from pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenAlpha Posted June 11, 2018 Author Share Posted June 11, 2018 They are made in Israel, where I live. Quality seems to be on par with STI, they do Tin coating, DLC if you want to pay for it. The only thing cheap on it is the Nikko Sterling optic which is an RTS2 knockoff. But that's the only option I have down here, and it'll do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trub7dur Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Can you fit a steel grip on the gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremyc_1999 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Good looking gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenAlpha Posted June 12, 2018 Author Share Posted June 12, 2018 No, they are not available here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBolt Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 How much does it weigh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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