StuckinMS Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 On 5/15/2018 at 9:19 AM, DB_Cooper said: I'm definitely going to load some 231 for testing and also going to test E3 if available, if not then I will probably give Longshot a try. You can get E3 at powder valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuckinMS Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 2 hours ago, bjones6686 said: Longshot is some loud powder. We joke around and call it Loudshot. I've messed around with the idea of playing around with some E3 but been pretty happy with WST and N340 for all 40cal reloading. Long shot is also pretty dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB_Cooper Posted May 18, 2018 Author Share Posted May 18, 2018 A lot of good info in this thread, keep it coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkvibe Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 I load 200gr blue bullet with 4.1gr WST. 1.180 oal. Makes like 172 pf. I use cci primers but I don't think that matters much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkvibe Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 On 5/11/2018 at 10:04 AM, SCTaylor said: And it'll go 163 when it hits 90*... be verymindful with WST. It's a good powder but very reverse temperature sensitive, at least my batch is. @TennJeep1618 remember someone that went to Limited Minor at the 2016 Texas Open? I do... Last year I chronod ammo loaded with WST taken from my basement at about 60-65 degrees. Then I chronod identical ammo that I put in the sun in a closed jar for a while. It was pretty hot to the touch and I had left it in the sun long enough to make sure the powder was hot. I saw no noticable difference in velocity. It could have been a couple FPS lower but was so close to the cooler rounds that i couldn't tell any meaningful difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaot1c Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Has anyone tried 231 for .40? I have some 231 laying around and thought about trying it out.I run 5.4 of 231 under a 165gr Bayou Bullet at 1.150 OAL for a 172Pf in a 5" Atlas Nemesis KKM barrelSent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjones6686 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 On 5/11/2018 at 10:13 AM, DB_Cooper said: Was the N320 clean burning? I always heard VV powders are clean burning. I've used a lot of powders over the past 4 years reloading and testing what powders I liked. VV powders are the cleanest I've came across. I used N340 for loading 40, 45acp, and 45lc. After a few hundreds rounds you could barely tell the gun had been shot. W231 or titegroup would have my gun filthy after 100 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuckinMS Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, bjones6686 said: I've used a lot of powders over the past 4 years reloading and testing what powders I liked. VV powders are the cleanest I've came across. I used N340 for loading 40, 45acp, and 45lc. After a few hundreds rounds you could barely tell the gun had been shot. W231 or titegroup would have my gun filthy after 100 rounds. True dat! E3 is extremely close to being just as clean as VV powder and less than half the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjones6686 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, StuckinMS said: True dat! E3 is extremely close to being just as clean as VV powder and less than half the money. I have a local relaoding store that also makes and sells commercial ammo. They got me a 15kg (33lb) commercial size container of Vihtavuori N340. Ended up having just over 35lbs in the container. Cost me around $21 buying it in bulk but worth it. I put the powder in 7 1gallon jugs from U-Line. I've been thinking about buying another 15kg container of N320. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubb Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 I use 4.4 grains of titegroup at 1.185 oal mixed brass out of a sti edge. had to bump it up to 4.85grains of hp38 at 1.185 oal used hp38 when I couldn’t find titegroup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuckinMS Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 9 hours ago, bjones6686 said: I have a local relaoding store that also makes and sells commercial ammo. They got me a 15kg (33lb) commercial size container of Vihtavuori N340. Ended up having just over 35lbs in the container. Cost me around $21 buying it in bulk but worth it. I put the powder in 7 1gallon jugs from U-Line. I've been thinking about buying another 15kg container of N320. Not bad, I pay about $16/lb for E3. We use about 3 -8lb jugs a year so that's still North of $100 of savings. You are buying it a lot cheaper than most people though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
858 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) On 5/15/2018 at 7:19 AM, DB_Cooper said: I'm definitely going to load some 231 for testing and also going to test E3 if available, if not then I will probably give Longshot a try. W231 is absolutely filthy. I had some on hand which is why I loaded it but unless I'm forced to use it I'll find something else. N320 is relatively clean but outrageously expensive. I have E3 on deck but have five more pounds of N320 to work through first. Edited May 20, 2018 by 858 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinimon Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) Would love to use N340/N320 regularly but at $60.CDN/1.1lbs, I'll stick to Titegroup. Edited May 21, 2018 by Trinimon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB_Cooper Posted May 21, 2018 Author Share Posted May 21, 2018 I heard Ramshot Competition is a poor a man's N320. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FortyOverUnder Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I heard Ramshot Competition is a poor a man's N320.True story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB_Cooper Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 Picked this up today for testing, hopefully it goes well and this will be the only powder for now if it doesn’t work out then WST will be next.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrymSIX Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/20/2018 at 9:12 PM, DB_Cooper said: I heard Ramshot Competition is a poor a man's N320. It's what I'm running right now. Powder drop is super consistent on my LnL. 4 grains is getting me 168 across just about every round I've chronoed. A couple out of 50 were up to 170, a couple down to 166. I haven't noticed a difference in the weather yet. When summer weather gets here I'll re-check to make sure I'm still Major. Bump to 4.1 is probably all it would need if it is reverse temp sensitive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tohm Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Titegroup is difficult to beat. VV is clean, but a couple years ago due to costs and availability I decided to try Titegroup and have not found a compelling reason to leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japarker82 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 STI Edge Bullet: Bayou 180 gr. Powder: VihtaVuori N320 4.6 grs.Primer: Winchester Small PistolCase: Range MixLOAL: 1.170 PF 169 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCTaylor Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Picked this up today for testing, hopefully it goes well and this will be the only powder for now if it doesn’t work out then WST will be next.Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHow’d it go? I’m a big fan in 9mm. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasthenk65 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Tested 195gr (actual weight 196,5 gr) H&N HS TC bullets with 4,3 gn VV320. Recipe from H@N website. Loaded at 28,8 mm (1.112) I got PF of 173. Very very nice!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyG Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 "My load" is: 180 gr berrys flat point 4.8gr n320 Oal 1.18 Cci small riffle primers Out of a 5" ria pro match. Hits an average of 169pf in the summer. I have not chrono'd this load in the colder months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAP Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 My load powder of choice is Sport Pistol. Works great in my 9mm and 40.Created: 08/26/17 01:46 PMDescription: 40 S&W LimitedNotes 1: 4.6 Grains Sport Pistol WSPPNotes 2: CCI SPP 1.185 COALDistance to Chrono(FT): 15.00Ballistic Coefficient: 0.165Bullet Weight(gr): 180.00Temp: 87 °FBP: 28.14 inHgAltitude: 800.00# FPS FT-LBS PF7 932 347.23 167.76 6 950 360.77 171.00 5 938 351.72 168.84 4 957 366.11 172.26 3 951 361.53 171.18 2 943 355.48 169.74 1 949 360.01 170.82 Average: 945.7 FPSSD: 8.6 FPSMin: 932 FPSMax: 957 FPSSpread: 25 FPSShot/sec: 0.3True MV: 952 FPSSent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB_Cooper Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share Posted June 24, 2018 On 6/1/2018 at 9:32 PM, SCTaylor said: How’d it go? I’m a big fan in 9mm. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sorry for they delay, had to purchase a chronograph before testing and here is the results...... STI Edge .40 180 gr. Blue Bullets 1.180 Winchester Small Pistol Primers E3 4.0 grains Low 889 Fps High 915 Fps Avg 903 Fps PF 162.54 E3 4.2 grains Low 915 Fps High 944 Fps Avg 928.14 Fps PF 167.07 I'm extremely happy with the results, it was soft shooting and low smoke. I have found my Limited major load, no further testing needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doublehelix Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, DB_Cooper said: E3 4.2 grains Low 915 Fps High 944 Fps Avg 928.14 Fps PF 167.07 I'm extremely happy with the results, it was soft shooting and low smoke. I have found my Limited major load, no further testing needed. Congratulations, however 167 PF is a bit too close for me, I like to make sure I can make Major PF no matter the weather or the ES. You have almost a 30 fps spread (which is not bad), but it would not pass the 165 Major requirement. You might want to consider bumping that up slightly to give yourself a safety cushion, especially considering changes in the weather. Don't take a chance at failing a chrony test and having to shoot minor. Edited June 25, 2018 by Doublehelix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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