Shadow 2 DA pull... what can we do?

[kmanick]

so I went to the range today and worked a simple drill. We can't draw from a holster at this club so the drill went like this.

Muzzle down , hammer down.......Go!!  1,2

One shot to the left target one to the right. I lined up in front of the left target for several rounds then the right and then reversed the drill

and went right to left etc..

all of my 'spread" shots are my DA shots and my single follow ups were almost all dead on.

this is at 32 feet. I rotated ammo between Aguila 124 , magtech 124 and AE 147

the AE was definitely the easiest to stay on center with , but overall not a huge difference.

So i already have the 13# hammer spring in there with the extended FP and lighter return spring.I honestly don't feel 

much difference between my DA pull and my buddy's stock S2

so what else is there to do to not only lighten a bit but shorten it?

 

 

[AngeloConde]

6 minutes ago, kmanick said:

so I went to the range today and worked a simple drill. We can't draw from a holster at this club so the drill went like this.

Muzzle down , hammer down.......Go!!  1,2

One shot to the left target one to the right. I lined up in front of the left target for several rounds then the right and then reversed the drill

and went right to left etc..

all of my 'spread" shots are my DA shots and my single follow ups were almost all dead on.

this is at 32 feet. I rotated ammo between Aguila 124 , magtech 124 and AE 147

the AE was definitely the easiest to stay on center with , but overall not a huge difference.

So i already have the 13# hammer spring in there with the extended FP and lighter return spring.I honestly don't feel 

much difference between my DA pull and my buddy's stock S2

so what else is there to do to not only lighten a bit but shorten it?

 

 

If you scroll a little ways down there is a thread that someone made that has all the mods he did to his s2. It's a good read but I believe cgw has a shorter reset disconnet

[George16]

Get either the T1 or T3 disconnector to shorten the DA. The T3 has to be hard fitted while the T1 is 90% drop in. I installed the T1 disconnect or in my shadow 2 along with the 13# main spring, reduced power trigger spring, reduced power firing pin spring, extended firing pin and polished the internals. I also installed a modified recurve trigger wherein I drilled an tapped for a pretravel and over travel screw. DA pul is around 5# 10 ozs, SA is around 2# 3.5 ozs. Reset is very short.

Edited April 30, 2018 by George16
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[konkapot]

Another option....rather than making further modifications....would be to stick to a really solid dryfire routine. Livefire too. Then more dryfire. 

[kmanick]

this one?

Disconnector

[SlvrDragon50]

Get an 11.5# main spring, mine has been 100% reliable, many others report the same. Dryfire is the solution though. I practiced dry firing my heavy 10+lb P07, and now I can DA my S2 easily (7#). Disco is fantastic for SA as well. I fitted a Type 3, but a Type 1 is good too.

[GrumpyOne]

Yes, drop to the 11.5lb spring, polish the internals, and pull the trigger 351,342 times...it will smooth out and get better.

[George16]

36 minutes ago, kmanick said:

this one?

Disconnector

Yes

[Almo]

Agree, go to the 11.5# hammer spring.  You may even be able to go lighter.  You could try 9# and see if it's reliable.  Also change out the trigger pin to the solid type from CGW.  By "lighter return spring" I assume you mean trigger return spring.  If not, change that out too.  Then dry fire at home to get used to pulling the trigger without moving the gun.  I think Rob Leatham and Ben Stoeger would agree on that last piece of advice.

[Dirty_J]

11# spring and practice. 

 

 

[kmanick]

looks like the majority says 11# hammer string and practice.

coming frorm a striker fire background, dry firing in DA actually seems to feel somewhat  natural, it's with live ammo

for some reason feels like the take up is forever long.

I'll grab one of the 11# springs and give it a try, oh and yes I did mean  lighter trigger return spring (the one that comes with the extended firing pin)

[George16]

Don’t forget to get the reduced firing pin spring to go with the extended firing pin.

[kmanick]

1 hour ago, George16 said:

Don’t forget to get the reduced firing pin spring to go with the extended firing pin.

already in there

[MikieM]

Practice. Above all else. 

[WxGuy]

Ditto.

[race1911]

4 hours ago, kmanick said:

 oh and yes I did mean  lighter trigger return spring (the one that comes with the extended firing pin)

KMANICK....a reduced power firing pin spring comes with the lighter than stock mainspring (hammer spring) and is used with the extended firing pin..................a reduced power trigger return spring connects with the trigger/trigger bar to reduce the tension of the trigger return/pull and is ordered separately (does not come with any other part when ordered)

Edited April 30, 2018 by race1911

[kmanick]

thanks for the info I thought we were all talking about the same spring but apparently not

I take it this is what you are referring too?

trigger spring

 

ordered that trigger spring and the 11 pound hammer spring.

was going to also order the disconnector but I can always come back around if I feel that I still need it

1 hour ago, race1911 said:

KMANICK....a reduced power firing pin spring comes with the lighter than stock mainspring (hammer spring) and is used with the extended firing pin..................a reduced power trigger return spring connects with the trigger/trigger bar to reduce the tension of the trigger return/pull and is ordered separately (does not come with any other part when ordered)

Edited April 30, 2018 by kmanick

[rowdyb]

Ernie Langdon's two part video on youtube, "fear not the doulbe action shot" will get you up to speed perfectly.

 

Secondly, grip the gun firmly enough and pull the trigger in a manner that the action of pulling/pressing the trigger doesn't disturb the sights. If you're going slow or staging or focusing on it, you're going to be unhappy with the result. So start focusing on better actions.

[kmanick]

37 minutes ago, rowdyb said:

Ernie Langdon's two part video on youtube, "fear not the doulbe action shot" will get you up to speed perfectly.

 

Secondly, grip the gun firmly enough and pull the trigger in a manner that the action of pulling/pressing the trigger doesn't disturb the sights. If you're going slow or staging or focusing on it, you're going to be unhappy with the result. So start focusing on better actions.

 

hey that drill he's doing with the plates in part 2 is exactly what I was doing with my paper targets last night that made me see how inconsistent I was

 

Edited April 30, 2018 by kmanick

[race1911]

1 hour ago, kmanick said:

thanks for the info I thought we were all talking about the same spring but apparently not

I take it this is what you are referring too?

trigger spring

YES, that is the spring.......it can be frustrating to install.....definitely use a slave pin and go by some instructions such as on youtube or  cajun gun works, then it is fairly straightforward

Edited April 30, 2018 by race1911

[SlvrDragon50]

JJ Racaza stages the trigger, and he does great with it. He teaches that method in  his classes too I believe. Some other guys do it as well, but I can't remember the names.

[Sdlrodeo]

On 4/30/2018 at 6:07 AM, Almo said:

Agree, go to the 11.5# hammer spring.  You may even be able to go lighter.  You could try 9# and see if it's reliable.  Also change out the trigger pin to the solid type from CGW.  By "lighter return spring" I assume you mean trigger return spring.  If not, change that out too.  Then dry fire at home to get used to pulling the trigger without moving the gun.  I think Rob Leatham and Ben Stoeger would agree on that last piece of advice.

 

I’m running an 8.5 hammer spring. I get a few light strikes out of 1000 WSPs but it always goes bang with Federal. If I run out of them I may have to step up to an 11. Why doesn’t someone make a 10? Seems like that’d be a happy medium.

[race1911]

Sebo sells a 10 and 11 lb hammer spring      http://seboweapons.com/en/      it takes about 4 or 5 weeks to come internationally from there but the orders get to you

Edited May 2, 2018 by race1911

[jmaples71]

I got mine straight from CZ Custom. Not sure how they lighten it but DA pull is light and smooth. You might want to check with them or Cajun Gunworks for possible mods.

[Matt1]

The CGW 8.5lb will run Federals with a stock FP & FP spring but needs the CGW FP & spring to run S&B’s.

Also it’s right on the 5lb DA limit.

The Sebo 10lb will light off Fed’s & S&B’s with a stock FP & his lighter spring.

DA should be around 6lb


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