"Universal" Speed Holster Recommendations

[Sig0431]

I am working on a project with my Sig P320 for USPSA Limited. I recently obtained a frame weight with thumb rest that I want to run for a few matches this year. The issue that I am dealing with is a holster for this set up. Due to the thumb rest, having a custom made kydex holster is out of the question. I am looking for recommendations for "universal" fit speed holsters or speed holsters that will work with the P320. Here is what I have been looking at so far:

 

Guga Ribas: I purchased this one. In the pic below you will see I have been able to make it fit but the trigger area is not fully covered. I am working with a local kydex guy to have panels made to cover the trigger area.

 

CR Speed: They offer a "universal" model but still list certain pistol models. So not sure if the P320 will fit

 

Hogue: Watching a video on this holster I don't think I would invest in it, seems a little weak on the retention side.

 

DAA: I have already talked to their service reps and they stated that their holster would not work. They do make a P320 insert but I have no means to look at one of their holsters to see if I could modify the holster to fit the weight.

 

Safariland 014: I would really like to get my hands on one of these as I think that it is the most promising. I have seen the term "universal" used with this holster as well but I know they make them for specific weapon types.

 

Any other holster options that I am missing. Does anyone happen to have a speed holster and a P320 that they could see if the P320 would fit? 

 

Edited March 26, 2018 by Sig0431

[Garrett]

The Hogue is pretty customizable.  It has a trigger guard lock, so the gun won't come out when you're moving.  You can disable it at the "make ready"command, or it's pretty easy to disable as you draw. 

 

It comes with a bunch of different shims so you can modify it to fit various size guns.  And if that doesn't work, you just build your own shims out of wood or plastic. I just shot a match yesterday using one I had set up for a Desert Eagle.  Just because I can.  

 

[Hi-Power Jack]

On ‎3‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 3:53 PM, Sig0431 said:

  the trigger area is not fully covered 

 

I may be wrong, but I'm guessing that the trigger is covered

enough to prevent you putting your finger on the trigger -

isn't that enough to satisfy the rules/regs ?

[Sig0431]

20 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said:

I may be wrong, but I'm guessing that the trigger is covered

enough to prevent you putting your finger on the trigger -

isn't that enough to satisfy the rules/regs ?

 

You are correct. I checked with my local RSO and they were good with it. The rules don't state (that I have found) that the trigger has to be covered enough to prevent your finger from pulling the trigger but the RSO said it is more common sense when making that determination. I am still looking at other holsters just to see what it is out there that I can work with.

[Sig0431]

On ‎4‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 10:37 AM, Garrett said:

The Hogue is pretty customizable.  It has a trigger guard lock, so the gun won't come out when you're moving.  You can disable it at the "make ready"command, or it's pretty easy to disable as you draw. 

 

It comes with a bunch of different shims so you can modify it to fit various size guns.  And if that doesn't work, you just build your own shims out of wood or plastic. I just shot a match yesterday using one I had set up for a Desert Eagle.  Just because I can.  

 

 

Thanks for the information about the holster. I will continue to look into it. I am really not a fan of how it mounts to the belt but I am sure I can come up with other means to do that.

 

[Sarge]

 

15 minutes ago, Sig0431 said:

 

You are correct. I checked with my local RSO and they were good with it. The rules don't state (that I have found) that the trigger has to be covered enough to prevent your finger from pulling the trigger but the RSO said it is more common sense when making that determination. I am still looking at other holsters just to see what it is out there that I can work with.

RSO? What’s that? The USPSA rule is pretty clear as it pertains to trigger access. 5.2.7.4

Edited April 23, 2018 by Sarge

[Sig0431]

1 minute ago, Sarge said:

 

RSO? What’s that? The USPSA rule is pretty clear as it pertains to trigger access.

 

Sorry, it is a habit still being in the military (Range Safety Officer), I mean Range Master.

 

As for the rules. Unless you know of another location where it is covered it states"

 

5.2.7 Competitors must not be permitted to commence a course of fire wearing

5.2.7.4 A holster which does not completely prevent access to, or activation of, the trigger while holstered

 

yes that does seem pretty clear, I was under the impression that the trigger has to be "completely" covered. This is why I have been working to find a holster that will cover the entire trigger area but as I have been told by many range masters from different locations, as long as I cant get my finger in there they are good with it.

 

The following allows the Ranger Master to deem a holster unsafe and I would not blame them from saying that this is unsafe if they can see the trigger. So once again why I am still working on other options.

 

5.2.6 USPSA Handgun matches will not require the use of a particular type or brand of holster. However, the Range Master may deem that a competitor’s holster is unsafe and order that it be improved to his satisfaction, failing which it must be withdrawn from the match

[Sarge]

1 hour ago, Sig0431 said:

 

Sorry, it is a habit still being in the military (Range Safety Officer), I mean Range Master.

 

As for the rules. Unless you know of another location where it is covered it states"

 

5.2.7 Competitors must not be permitted to commence a course of fire wearing

5.2.7.4 A holster which does not completely prevent access to, or activation of, the trigger while holstered

 

yes that does seem pretty clear, I was under the impression that the trigger has to be "completely" covered. This is why I have been working to find a holster that will cover the entire trigger area but as I have been told by many range masters from different locations, as long as I cant get my finger in there they are good with it.

 

The following allows the Ranger Master to deem a holster unsafe and I would not blame them from saying that this is unsafe if they can see the trigger. So once again why I am still working on other options.

 

5.2.6 USPSA Handgun matches will not require the use of a particular type or brand of holster. However, the Range Master may deem that a competitor’s holster is unsafe and order that it be improved to his satisfaction, failing which it must be withdrawn from the match

Hmm. The rule says nothing about a finger fitting in there. It just says access. That means if anything can get in there it’s a problem.

[Sig0431]

1 minute ago, Sarge said:

Hmm. The rule says nothing about a finger fitting in there. It just says access. That means if anything can get in there it’s a problem.

 

I agree fully which is why I was surprised when talking to a few range masters that they were good with it. One explained his reasoning to me and it made sense.

 

He stated (this is not quoted, just from memory of the conversation and researching what he said in the rule book) that the rules for the holster as it pertains to covering the trigger are for when you are going to "commence a course of fire". There are two types of "commencement", one is the "commence a course of fire" which is when you are about to make ready and the other is "commencement of a match" which is when you receive the safety brief etc.

 

The holster requirements after commencement of the match has taken place and prior to commencing a course of fire are:

 

5.2.1 Carry and Storage – Except when within the boundaries of a safety area, or when under the supervision and direct command of a Range Officer, competitors must carry their handguns unloaded in a gun case, gun bag or in a holster securely attached to a belt on their person (see Rule 10.5.1). A competitor who, while not at a safety area or under RO supervision, removes their holster or their equipment belt with their handgun still in the holster, shall be considered to be in violation of  Rule 5.2.1 and subject to disqualification from the match.

 

5.2.2 Competitors carrying their handgun in a holster must have an empty magazine well, and the hammer or striker must be de-cocked. Anyone found in violation of this rule will be immediately escorted by a Range Officer to a suitable range or safety area where appropriate corrective action shall be made.

 

When it comes to commencing the course of fire the rules (as we have covered) are more strict and define aspects of the holster that are required. When commencing the course of fire you have to consider "what" has the ability to access the trigger area after you make ready. The only object that could access the trigger is my finger since there should not be any other objects that I am leaning on or near my holster. If there were I would not be able to draw anyway if there was an object against my holster. The current holster I have been modifying to fit is impossible for my finger to get near the trigger, even my pinkey cant even touch the side of the trigger. 

 

He did mention that if I were shooting a 3-Gun match he probably would not allow the holster since I would be moving through the course of fire with the weapon loaded and potentially moving around obstacles and going prone. But for a USPSA match it would not be a concern and that in his experience I may have an RO ask that I place my pistol in my range bag while in the safety area after the stage. But that is something that he said would be rare since the RO confirms your weapon is clear after the course of fire. He said that having your pistol in a range bag or gun case as authorized in 5.2.1 "could" cause the trigger to be pulled if you have items like cleaning rods etc.

 

Keep in mind while the rules and the way they can be read can say one thing, I personally have to have a "warm and fuzzy" myself so I have yet and will not use the frame weight with a speed holster until I am able to cover the entire trigger area. In the end I cant argue with his reasoning and this one range officer has been certified and running local and many national matches for years.

[Sarge]

Well, I don’t want to continue to hijack your thread so I’ll leave it at this. None of what that RM said is supported by a rule. That trigger is accessible in my humble opinion. I have seen holsters disallowed for less exposure than that. I would send that pic to DNROI in an email and see what he says.

[Sig0431]

47 minutes ago, Sarge said:

Well, I don’t want to continue to hijack your thread so I’ll leave it at this. None of what that RM said is supported by a rule. That trigger is accessible in my humble opinion. I have seen holsters disallowed for less exposure than that. I would send that pic to DNROI in an email and see what he says.

 

Your good brother, this is how we all learn and develop, positive communication. Like I said I am only passing info that has been provided to me and no matter what they say I still wont run my pistol like this until I have it completely covered. 

[SwedishMoose]

On 4/22/2018 at 1:37 PM, Garrett said:

I just shot a match yesterday using one I had set up for a Desert Eagle.  Just because I can.  

 

What's the PF like on that cannon? And did they let you shoot any steel? 

[Garrett]

2 hours ago, SwedishMoose said:

 

What's the PF like on that cannon? And did they let you shoot any steel? 

I was running around a 250 PF. Can't really download and keep the gun running. 

 

And yes, it had no problem taking down steel, even with low hits. 

[SwedishMoose]

13 minutes ago, Garrett said:

 

 

And yes, it had no problem taking down steel, even with low hits. 

 

Haha no I'm just worried that the steel they have is only 3/8" AR500, probably not best at taking magnum rounds. 

[STELLARTONE]

Did you ever find a holster 

[cheers623]

I didn’t read the date either! Wow…zombie thread. I will say that the Sig P320 with that frame mounted weight will NOT fit in a CR Speed Holster. FYI