svinson Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 18 minutes ago, Jeff O said: You can shoot it in Carry Optics and I'm there most of the time. Will be there on the 23rd. Cool - on both counts. I plan on being there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 4 hours ago, svinson said: I am interested in starting to shoot both IDPA and USPSA this Spring. I want to use an optic for both. Would love to use a Shadow 2 for both. Are you saying I can use a Shadow 2 (with an optic) for IDPA CO? And, do I have to have weight taken off, or will it work as is? The gunn absolutely will not make weight as is. Carry optics weight limit in both sports is 45.0 ounces w appropriate magazine in. There are a few ways to take the weight off for sure. But you will have to take it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff O Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 If you have the slide milled for an optic, you are taking out a chunk of steel and replacing it with a chunk of aluminum. It WILL make weight with the optic. I took the optic that was on my gun when I bought it off and I have no desire to put it back on to weigh it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just an optic cut absolutely does not take the gun, optic and magazine below 45 ounces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff O Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) With the lightweight guide rod and grips it absof*#kinlutely does. Take off your headphones and listen. You also said it COULDN'T make weight or fit the box for IDPA. But again, I don't give a rat s#!t about CO, so I'm signing off your drivel. Edited February 12, 2019 by Jeff O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) I've milled two guns, and stood there with a scale and a pile of parts. No head phones, no drivel. If you read, rather than just reacting, you'd notice I said just an optic cut. You mention cut, grips and guide rods. Which is something different. I would love to see a 43 oz, esp legal shadow 2. And as always, I'm more than willing to meet anyone at a match and talk it out or shoot it out in the results. Edited February 13, 2019 by rowdyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurley326 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 hours ago, rowdyb said: I've milled two guns, and stood there with a scale and a pile of parts. No head phones, no drivel. If you read, rather than just reacting, you'd notice I said just an optic cut. You mention cut, grips and guide rods. Which is something different. I would love to see a 43 oz, esp legal shadow 2. And as always, I'm more than willing to meet anyone at a match and talk it out or shoot it out in the results. Ask and you shall receive. IDPA legal Shadow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff O Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Well, that's two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurley326 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 21 hours ago, Jeff O said: Well I'm the soul who took a 1/4 lb. of weight off it (actually 3 oz with mag). Gun was milled for carry Optics by CZC (although I'd never stoop to that) and the RDS sight plate installed. Cajun acetal guide rod and Patriot Defense grips (have a set of LOK palm swell lightweights coming). Haven't touched the frame. May take a little out inside so I can use Shockbottle base pads. Only need to lose .03 oz. Also has Cajun 29ES mag release. Running Cajun 12 lb recoil spring, RP-TRS, RP-FPS and 11 1/2 lb hammer spring. It has been 100% reliable, not one LPS and I load only Winchester SPP's. DA 5 1/2, SA 2.0. Did polish everything. Have shot both IDPA SSP and USPSA Production with it - I know, what a concept! Fits the box easily as well. Both versions. Cant be shot in SSP though due to slide machining. Must be used in ESP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy9 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I thought that this could be done! Before jumping into the S2 i have been debating about just working up my SP01 due to shooting in USPSA and IDPA, and I would do that but i have short thumbs and cant reach the mag release in the SP01 with out shifting my grip. on the Shadow 2 I can reach the mag release and that will be a good time savings. It would be great to see the brake down of what it took to get it done, bullet point style. Again, Great work!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uomu Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I have a Shadow 2 too and it ia almost as good as Tanfoglio xtreme. Maybe milled the rail way for light could signicantly reduce its weight.... but the gun will become so ugly/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurley326 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Both of our guns above make weight and they aren’t ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urmaker45 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 10:09 AM, hurley326 said: Cant be shot in SSP though due to slide machining. Must be used in ESP Man that is a nice cz shadow 2 do you care to pm me your build info I want to do this so I can shoot the gun in IDPA and uspsa . I was worried slide cuts made it illegal in IDPA esp c/o . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdf3 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 So is there any way to make it IDPA legal with lighter guide rod and lighter grips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spt1955 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) On 2/13/2019 at 9:00 AM, hurley326 said: Ask and you shall receive. IDPA legal Shadow 2 What is the Mag Release? Did you just remove the oversized pad from the Shadow 2 mag release? The other legal ESP gun claims to have a Cajun ES29 Mag Release installed. The Cajun ES29 is an extended safety not a mag release. I cannot see the release as it is obscured by the IDPA logo on the closed box. Edited February 17, 2020 by spt1955 added ES29 question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver123 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 IDPA "8.2.1.2 SSP Permitted Modifications (Inclusive list): A. Sights may be changed to another notch and post type. Slides may not be machined to accept different style sights." Once the slide is milled for an optic it is no longer SSP legal. You may shoot it in ESP USPSA 21.2b Milling of Slide A. slide may be modified specifically for installing sights, and for no other purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurley326 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 What is the Mag Release? Did you just remove the oversized pad from the Shadow 2 mag release? The other legal ESP gun claims to have a Cajun ES29 Mag Release installed. The Cajun ES29 is an extended safety not a mag release. I cannot see the release as it is obscured by the IDPA logo on the closed box. I just removed the paddle is all. You may be able to use one of the other mag releases but IDunno I just use it like this.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurley326 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 IDPA "8.2.1.2 SSP Permitted Modifications (Inclusive list): A. Sights may be changed to another notch and post type. Slides may not be machined to accept different style sights." Once the slide is milled for an optic it is no longer SSP legal. You may shoot it in ESP USPSA 21.2b Milling of Slide A. slide may be modified specifically for installing sights, and for no other purpose.Yup that’s been established.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spt1955 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) On 2/12/2019 at 3:18 PM, svinson said: Just to be sure (I can be slow at times)... I can shoot a Shadow 2 in IDPA Carry Optics - correct? Also, I'm in the Fort Wayne area. The IDPA match I plan on starting to shoot at is the one in Wabash (on 4th Saturdays). Do you ever shoot there? The out of the box Shadow 2 weighs 46.5 oz which is already 1.5 ounces ABOVE the IDPA weight limit for Carry Optics (45 ounces) and 3.5 ounces ABOVE the IDPA weight limit for ESP (43 ounces). So the answer to the question "I can shoot a SHadow 2 in IDPA Carry optics?" is ..NO. A stock Shadow 2 with even the lightest optic on it will weigh well above the 45 ounce limit for both IDPA and USPSA Carry Optics. Weight has to be removed in order to do it. Edited February 19, 2020 by spt1955 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack15 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 On 4/1/2018 at 11:20 AM, tanks said: They switch to USPSA Production. ? I Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 I'm totally willing to learn something. Is there any way to make a shadow 2 SSP legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurley326 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 I'm totally willing to learn something. Is there any way to make a shadow 2 SSP legal?A year ago I think definitely not. Now though it could be possible but only internal weight reduction would be required. Any external such as slide cuts immediately puts you into ESP. I think CZC was working on this a while back where they took more weight not just out of the slide but also out of the frame In areas that were not externalSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking4reloadingdeals Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 When I was thinking about trying to make mine CO legal before uspsa changed their weight limit and I said forget it, I remember the LOK lightweightgrios made a decent difference, so that’s something I’d look into. Can’t remember what the weight difference was though Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 I got a Shadow 2 to old-USPSA CO weight with just an optic cut and parts, but had to use the Romeo 1 dot, LOK lightweight grips, custom plastic guide rod, cut down the mag brake and some other things. Mags and basepads carefully chosen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 I'll just go back to shooting a SP01 Shadow as that is 41oz and an easy deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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