IHAVEGAS Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, perttime said: I recall there can be difficulties with the timer, if using a suppressor. Especially when the RO/Timer Holder cannot be very close to the competitor. Suppressed or not, some of the most quiet guns/loads are hard to pick up 100% on the timer unless the r.o. is holding it closer to the barrel than the stage design might make safe and easy. Problem is worse with rain and bagged timers, it is frustrating running a mouse fart shooter on his 3rd or 4th reshoot while getting soaked. The best idea I've heard for pcc rules lately is to bump them to 150 power factor so missed shot reshoots will be less of an issue. Many or most of the guns/loads are not a problem now but if you have one or two exceptions on your squad it can be a real pain in the butt. Edited August 7, 2018 by IHAVEGAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 As an SO / RO it needs to become a habit to hold the timer as close as possible to their ejection port on the last shot. A timer like the CED7000 with the sensitivity cranked all the way up will help a lot too. Plus you need some serious shooters who run comps on their PCCs. The right ones actually do flatten the gun out slightly, but more importantly, they’re worth running for reshoot insurance reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 2 hours ago, IHAVEGAS said: The best idea I've heard for pcc rules lately is to bump them to 150 power factor so missed shot reshoots will be less of an issue Sounds good to me. It doesn't take much powder to get f 125 out of a 16" barrel. I am amused by PCC shooters not using the same ammo as for their PCPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 I find mine runs flattest around 140-145 power factor with a 124. That’s where the gun will hammer a 10yd target with a 2-3” group as fast as you can work the trigger. Of course, I did a lot of comp/buffer/recoil spring testing on this gun, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddKS Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 The perception that PCC is slower to run is personnel related. A PCC shooter and RO who have their act together will run as fast or faster than most shooters. That said, I have seen PCC shooters who did not have their act together and it can be painful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 10 hours ago, ToddKS said: The perception that PCC is slower to run is personnel related. A PCC shooter and RO who have their act together will run as fast or faster than most shooters. ... This. We have a localish version of IPSC/USPSA for military reservists (camo recommended but not compulsory). At practice, people often run the same stage with pistol and rifle. There's no difference in how long it takes: just a different procedure for taking the firearm to and from the course of fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatpants Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Is anyone already shooting PCC in IDPA? Is it fun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 We don’t even see carry optic pistols at our club so I doubt we’ll see pcc. Which, imho, is great. No interest in it at all. Just policing the before/after handling will be a pita and it doesn’t fit with the concept of idpa. Three gun events already exist—-if a club wants to draw more people just host one of those. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 9 hours ago, sweatpants said: Is anyone already shooting PCC in IDPA? Is it fun? Typically + - 4 guys out of + - 40 at local events here. They seem to have fun with it. One guy has tremors with pistol but seems to be able to hold the rifle no problem so it works out really great for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 I'm about to give it a try. I've had a suppressed 5.5" AR9 SBR for a few years. I picked up a 10.5" Foxtrot Mike upper and a LANTAC Dragon brake yesterday.....Now I just have to make sure it runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floater Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 On 8/6/2018 at 8:12 PM, Flatland Shooter said: I agree. Too bad USPSA will not allow suppressors. We have had timer problems without suppressors at a few USPSA matches. Last Sunday we had one guy shoot a smoking run on a classifier, GM run and the timer didn't count all the shots. Then like normal his reshoot didn't go to well. My local IDPA club has not been doing PCC, the club was trying to push 2 pistol stages and 2 or 3 PCC only stages, I told them that that tosses me out , not having a PCC and that if thats the way they want to roll have fun but I'm not going to show up, set and SO and pay to shoot two stages, and PCC is a division so let people shoot the match with one if the want, or a pistol if the want don't cater to one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigarmsp226 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 On 8/5/2018 at 8:04 PM, S&W686 said: In Memphis we have several shooting PCC in our outdoor and indoor matches. We also have six shooters signed up for the Walking in Memphis match September 2. S&W686 - A Local shooter that I shoot with twice a month won his division in PPC and finished 2nd overall in PCC (DH)..... He could not quit talking about how great everyone at this shoot was towards the shooters and that the courses were challenging and fun. He said it was the best organized shoots he has shot at and plans on going back next year and dragging me along.... Great job by everyone involved in the eyes of this shooter and he is a good guy.....Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telligentgunner Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) I love shooting PCC but I'm pissed at my local match director. I'm in Cali and our regional match will only allow 10-round mags in the PCC division due to everyone not having access standard capacity mags. So, the local IDPA match direct decided to adopt that rule for today's IDPA match with both pistol and PCC divisions. Even though he'd been running a normal PCC and revolver match for the last year allowing normal capacity mags, he decided do make this call. To add insult to injury, we cannot load 10+1 to start. Only 10 rounds to start. His rational is "less manipulation". I've decided not to support this match with my PCC funds. Edited October 29, 2018 by telligentgunner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazhi Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Do the PCCs have to be "pistols" per definition by ATF in order to play in "International Defensive Pistol Association"? Or any 9mm rifles are good to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telligentgunner Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 10 hours ago, Dazhi said: Do the PCCs have to be "pistols" per definition by ATF in order to play in "International Defensive Pistol Association"? Or any 9mm rifles are good to go? 9, 40, 45 and a think a few others. No 22s. No, they are not "pistols". PCC stands for "pistol caliber carbine". A pistol is not a carbine. Do a search for the provisional rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazhi Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 9, 40, 45 and a think a few others. No 22s. No, they are not "pistols". PCC stands for "pistol caliber carbine". A pistol is not a carbine. Do a search for the provisional rules.So a name change may help clear this up? "International Defensive Pistol and Carbine Association"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telligentgunner Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Dazhi said: 19 hours ago, telligentgunner said: 9, 40, 45 and a think a few others. No 22s. No, they are not "pistols". PCC stands for "pistol caliber carbine". A pistol is not a carbine. Do a search for the provisional rules. So a name change may help clear this up? "International Defensive Pistol and Carbine Association"? Lol, you might think so but I doubt that will happen. I think they're adding the division because of all of the traction it's getting in USPSA. Here in Southern California, the match director is only allowing us to load up to 10 and won't even allow 10+1. I'm not going to shoot PCC in his match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4045 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 We don't have IDPA locally. The clubs we do have are easy to deal with pcc shooters. I usually bring my pcc to the line bagged. Planning to shoot pcc exclusively for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartCarter Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Quote Official Notice : PCC will forever and always, from here until Judgement Day, or until the dead rise from their graves...whichever comes first, have a division capacity of 10+1. Please direct all complaints to your local Babies R Us or nearest day care center. XOXO Just got this in an email from my local club. This is one of the contributors to a self fulfilling prediction that PCC will not become popular. We were up to 5 or 6 PCC shooters and I guess it was too frightening. Isn't there a higher authority that can "suggest" to a club that doesn't follow the national rule book start to follow it again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I am sure your AC could have a word with them, if that didn't help, maybe HQ would try to get them on the straight and narrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I don’t want to see pcc in idpa but that response is uncalled for. Almost hard to believe a club would send such a thing. The shooting sports need to tread carefully and do all they can to bring new members in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 11 hours ago, BartCarter said: Official Notice : PCC will forever and always, from here until Judgement Day, or until the dead rise from their graves...whichever comes first, have a division capacity of 10+1. Please direct all complaints to your local Babies R Us or nearest day care center. XOXO I would forward that E-mail to your local AC. Another reason to never shoot IDPA again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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