fastlane604 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 The Spring Edition of IDPA's Tactical Journal extolls the virtues of the Sig P320 X5 and promotes it as the "new contender for king of Enhanced Service Pistol." The story includes a picture of the X5's 5 inch "bull barrel." The Sig website promotes the "bull barrel" as being heavy and reducing felt recoil. IDPA rule 8.1.8 C disallows heavy and/or conical barrels unless otherwise allowed in certain divisions. ESP allows them only if they are no longer than 4.25 inches. How, under current rules, is an X5 with a heavy 5 inch bull barrel legal? What am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsykes Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Lots of discussion here. http://forums.brianenos.com/topic/248553-bull-barrels/ Consensus seems to be that the rules actually only state "heavy and cone style" barrels are illegal, nothing specifically "bull." Therefore, its more of a marketing term by Sig and the IDPA does not feel the X5 barrel is significantly heavier than the normal barrel, so its not a "heavy" barrel and it certainly is not a cone barrel. Therefore its legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastlane604 Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, jsykes said: Lots of discussion here. http://forums.brianenos.com/topic/248553-bull-barrels/ Consensus seems to be that the rules actually only state "heavy and cone style" barrels are illegal, nothing specifically "bull." Therefore, its more of a marketing term by Sig and the IDPA does not feel the X5 barrel is significantly heavier than the normal barrel, so its not a "heavy" barrel and it certainly is not a cone barrel. Therefore its legal. Thank you for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsykes Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I dont know if that is the correct clarification, just what seems to be a consensus on it. I know the barrel on the X5 is definitely not a cone barrel and its far lighter than the bull barrel in my uspsa gun, so while it is a little heavier than the standard 320 barrel, its not significant, so it seems to make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johes Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) Delete please. Edited February 15, 2018 by johes Delete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 And you can take off the provided mag well funnel and downconvert it to SSP. It's special, don't you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjracing Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Yup, as already mentioned, its 100% legal and without the magwell its SSP legal too. Check out this quick note that IDPA sent out last summer to its members about the X5... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastlane604 Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 Rjracing, Thanks for the reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH45 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I picked up an X five, for carry optics. I believe it's probably the most accurate, plastic pistol I've ever shot, when I wasn't jerking the trigger, but, as far as felt recoil, and muzzle jump go, I think my 5" , 2.0, M&P has less recoil and muzzle jump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjracing Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 20 hours ago, RH45 said: I picked up an X five, for carry optics. I believe it's probably the most accurate, plastic pistol I've ever shot, when I wasn't jerking the trigger, but, as far as felt recoil, and muzzle jump go, I think my 5" , 2.0, M&P has less recoil and muzzle jump. I agree. I have found by playing with loads and the recoil spring weight (gun is heavily oversprung from the factory) its become one hell of a flat shooting plastic gun too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokarev Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Leave the mag well on and stick a 40 top end on and you have a Limited pistol for USPSA. That is if the available 140mm base pads will fit with the factory SIG well. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k80clay Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Sig is probably funneling some money into IDPA somehow. Of course, this is going to open the door to "what about.....". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH45 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 On 2/17/2018 at 9:00 PM, Tokarev said: Leave the mag well on and stick a 40 top end on and you have a Limited pistol for USPSA. That is if the available 140mm base pads will fit with the factory SIG well. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk I already have a 6"full custom STI, and a semi custom, 5"STI I don't think an xfive would out shoot either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valerko Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 so based on all this ruling my Infinity sight tracker would be legal as well as long as it makes the weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsykes Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 On 5/3/2018 at 6:29 PM, valerko said: so based on all this ruling my Infinity sight tracker would be legal as well as long as it makes the weight No, because, unless your sight tracker is different than most I've seen, it has a heavy/cone barrel, which is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valerko Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 it has a bull barrel , not heavy /coned so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfcchambers Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 How is a bull barrel not a heavy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valerko Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 same way Bull barrel is not heavy on X5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcracco Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 I want to shoot my new X5 in ESP. The biggest issue I see is the weight of the gun being 43.5oz with an IDPA limit of 43oz. Seems the options are: 1. Swap AL basepads with plastic - doubt that will gain a half ounce 2. Remove mag well - really don't want to as the gun looks good with it 3. Cut something like a third off the internal grip weight. - I see where I can't add internal weight but no rule saying removing it isn't permitted Really looking for a discussion on option 3. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 On 5/9/2018 at 9:13 PM, valerko said: it has a bull barrel , not heavy /coned so... IDPA says 1911 Bull Barrels are coned. In theory if yours don't have a flare on the end or a taper to it, and it's the same diameter all the way back you would be legal. Most 1911 bull barrels I've seen aren't like this. And even then you'll likely need to argue at equipment check. I believe Akia builds a gun with a bull barrel and a custom bushing so it's technically a "bushing barrel" this would likely be legal too. I've yet to hear of anyone trying either of these options. I have a limited gun with a bull barrel and a bushing barrel so I just swap barrels to shoot idpa. And yes, the rule is dumb and should be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH45 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 2 hours ago, mcracco said: I want to shoot my new X5 in ESP. The biggest issue I see is the weight of the gun being 43.5oz with an IDPA limit of 43oz. Seems the options are: 1. Swap AL basepads with plastic - doubt that will gain a half ounce 2. Remove mag well - really don't want to as the gun looks good with it 3. Cut something like a third off the internal grip weight. - I see where I can't add internal weight but no rule saying removing it isn't permitted Really looking for a discussion on option 3. Thanks. I think that if you just go with plastic basepads, and remove the magwell, you should make weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcracco Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Well this is interesting: Legion aluminum basepad: 5/8 oz Standard plastic basepad: 1/8 oz So a Legion X5 plastic (taller) will weigh more than the standard but that's damned close. Having a plastic version made so we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Just remove the weight from the grip and shoot ESP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeReimann Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 I have 2 Grand Power pistols. A K100 and an x-calibur. The x-cal is illegal because of its barrel. It’s clearly a cone but weight wise it’s hardly a heavy barrel. It comes in at 4.79oz and the k100 is right around 1 oz less at 3.74oz. The x-cal barrel is also 0.6” longer so it’s going to be heavier. I’d suspect if there was a 5” k100 barrel it would be similarly weighted. But the shape disqualifies my favorite pistol. Im not sure because I don’t own a x5 but I’d venture to guess the barrel is probably 1oz heavier than a regular P320 barrel that’s around 0.3” shorter. It certainly makes me lean towards shooting IPSC (USPSA) over IDPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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