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sign up for a fedex account and you have the delivery window set up for a two hour window, cost $5 but worth it sometimes for large or signature required items.

13 hours ago, shoots100 said:

Well it looks like I'll be waiting till next week to load with the N320.

FedEx decided that a good time to make a signature required delivery was Friday at 9:45 AM !

My uncle stayed at the house and waited for them to return, but they never attempted to make a second delivery.

DRAT, Foiled Again  !!!

SJC

 

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4 hours ago, Kmargetta said:

sign up for a fedex account and you have the delivery window set up for a two hour window, cost $5 but worth it sometimes for large or signature required items.

 

Exactly what I did and hopefully I'll be reloading Tuesday night.

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4 hours ago, Kmargetta said:

I have tightgroup and have N320 coming in next week. Will try both and see which I prefer.

Fellow shooters that us the same 929 gun, run 3.9 N320 and 3.0 TG with the 160 Bayou or similar coated bullet to make Minor PF.

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May want to check the N320 load, sounds a bit high.  I use 3.2 N320 with bayou 160's to make minor with my 929.

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16 hours ago, Intel6 said:

 

May want to check the N320 load, sounds a bit high.  I use 3.2 N320 with bayou 160's to make minor with my 929.

 

You are correct, I'll update my original post.

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Loaded 100 rounds with a 3.2 charge of VVN320.

Shot six moon clips. 3 warm, 3 cold.

I forgot to pack the chrono, but the rounds that I kept warm shot at the same point of Aim and had the same pop(as far as I could tell) as the rounds that were left outside in the -2 degree temp.

All 48 rounds in a 4" pie plate at 15 yards, DAO, in frigid weather, with a good crosswind.

The brass in much cleaner too.

I'm very happy as of now.

The 929 ran ok, but the cylinder release was a little sticky at first.

Hopefully the weather will be a little warmer when we open the range for steel plate shooting this year !

SJC

 

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I use 3.2 grains of N320 but I use a 160 bullet sized .358.  The same bullet I use in my .38 Short Colt.  I get a few more FPS from this load but the accuracy is fantastic.

 

Cylinder and barrel stay clean for an entire Steel Challenge match and the cylinder stays cool.

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I started out with a safe charge to see how the powder works and have already loaded rounds with 3.4, 3.5 and 3.6 grns for testing.

Once I get my 617 out from the NY waiting period jail cell, I'll head up to the range and will try not to forget the chrono this time.

SJC

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shoots 100 looking forward to seeing how you make out with N320. I have just shy of 4 pounds of it. I know we are talking about 9mm in a 929 (I have two 929s).

 

I loaded up 500 rounds of 38 spl using 3.6g N320 and 147g plated and have all kinds of fouling issues after a few shots. 10 shots and I cannot close the cylinder, debris under the star. The same bullet/cartridge with 3.4g TG clean as a whistle but as others report it gets hot. So I think for this application I need to up the charge a bit to get it to burn cleaner. I want to be open minded with this powder.

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What velocities are you aiming for?  Some powders will clean up if velocities are closer to max.

 

I like Titegroup and even better is Bullseye for cleanliness.

 

I haven't tried a lot of different powders, I found Alliant early on and stuck with them for most pistol applications.

 

Unique is about the dirtiest powder I use, but it is very versatile.

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3.3gr Bullseye with a 150gr Blue Bullet. Slightly modified from my 3gun load because of the cylinder gap, but so far no problems at all. Only 500-600 rounds in though. I was using Titegroup or 231 for the longest time but it would make a smokescreen. I forget which.

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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 8:47 AM, firewood said:

shoots 100 looking forward to seeing how you make out with N320. I have just shy of 4 pounds of it. I know we are talking about 9mm in a 929 (I have two 929s).

 

I loaded up 500 rounds of 38 spl using 3.6g N320 and 147g plated and have all kinds of fouling issues after a few shots. 10 shots and I cannot close the cylinder, debris under the star. The same bullet/cartridge with 3.4g TG clean as a whistle but as others report it gets hot. So I think for this application I need to up the charge a bit to get it to burn cleaner. I want to be open minded with this powder.

I tested three N320 loads last weekend.

I loaded 20 rounds each with 3.2, 3.4, 3.6 grains. 147 coated Missouri.

The 3.2 load had a low of 782 fps, High 799 and a Avg of 790. Brass was a bit dirty, as was the cylinder and barrel.

The 3.4 load had a low of 837 fps, High 847 and an Avg of 844. Brass was clean and no real noticeable residual buildup around the barrel or cylinder.

The 3.6 load had a low of 863 fps, High 887 and an  Avg of 884. Brass was a bit dirty, as was the cylinder and barrel.

The 3.2 + 3.4 had mild recoil. The 3.6 didn't seem to bad either, but It was very cold, with a wind chill keeping it around 5 degrees, so my hands were numb by the time I got to testing them.

I'm going to stick with the 3.4 load and see how it does this weekend, hopefully in warmer weather !

SJC

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11 hours ago, shoots100 said:

I tested three N320 loads last weekend.

I loaded 20 rounds each with 3.2, 3.4, 3.6 grains. 147 coated Missouri.

The 3.2 load had a low of 782 fps, High 799 and a Avg of 790. Brass was a bit dirty, as was the cylinder and barrel.

The 3.4 load had a low of 837 fps, High 847 and an Avg of 844. Brass was clean and no real noticeable residual buildup around the barrel or cylinder.

The 3.6 load had a low of 863 fps, High 887 and an  Avg of 884. Brass was a bit dirty, as was the cylinder and barrel.

The 3.2 + 3.4 had mild recoil. The 3.6 didn't seem to bad either, but It was very cold, with a wind chill keeping it around 5 degrees, so my hands were numb by the time I got to testing them.

I'm going to stick with the 3.4 load and see how it does this weekend, hopefully in warmer weather !

SJC

Those numbers sound a little soft for USPSA PF. 

 

But looking back it looks like youre loading for steel. Did you try a lighter bullet? 115s with a light charge of fast powder feel like a .22  from a 929. 

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I tried them, but I prefer to shoot 124's or 147's.

They've been more accurate in my revolvers and bottom feeders.

Accuracy and cleanliness is what I'm after with N320, and I think I'm almost there.

I just need it to get around 50 to 60 degrees warmer, so I can test the rounds in the conditions I'll be shooting in this summer, as I want to load a couple thousand rounds before the steel season starts. Come on Global Warming !!!!!

SJC

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For clean it's hard to beat Clays or Clay dot. I load 147 coated in Short Colt brass with it and the wife's and my 627s will go 1k without the cylinders even getting sticky.

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15 hours ago, MikeBurgess said:

For clean it's hard to beat Clays or Clay dot. I load 147 coated in Short Colt brass with it and the wife's and my 627s will go 1k without the cylinders even getting sticky.

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Second that

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On 1/19/2018 at 10:08 PM, MikeBurgess said:

For clean it's hard to beat Clays or Clay dot. I load 147 coated in Short Colt brass with it and the wife's and my 627s will go 1k without the cylinders even getting sticky.

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I've found it difficult to meter Clays consistently in my Dillon 550 powder measure.  I'm usually ~40fps ES with my 9mm Production load using 3.4gr of N320.  With Clays my ES is usually double that and sometimes as high as 120fps. 

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Shot six practice stages of steel plate today.

3.5 N320 in nickel plated Fed cases.

The brass is so clean, I won't have to polish them before reloading.

My 929 and moon clips are clean too.

Shoots accurate and now I can reload a crap load for the season.

I too had trouble with any clays powder metering in my 550 powder measure.

With shot shell's, a few grains difference is no big deal, but it's too inconsistent in my pistol presses.

N320 meters great and now that I found it's sweet spot, I'm set.

SJC

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On 1/20/2018 at 10:46 PM, VanMan1961 said:

I've found it difficult to meter Clays consistently in my Dillon 550 powder measure.  I'm usually ~40fps ES with my 9mm Production load using 3.4gr of N320.  With Clays my ES is usually double that and sometimes as high as 120fps. 

I"m loading on a LNL and the rotary powder measures seem to do better with flake powders than the Dillons do. 

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On 1/20/2018 at 4:56 PM, GMM50 said:

Second that

Interesting. Just cleaned the 929 today, probably took a half pound off the trigger. But I've got about 2k through it so far. Using bullseye and blue bullets. Trying out this new AntiVenom cleaner/lube Strike Industries has out. Not super clean after a quick spray and a wipe down, but it looks better than it did. And I can feel the results. I'll have to check out N320, but I really like this bullseye load.

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