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I focus on the first target I'm going to engage, I also had thought the same thing as you, and all of last year I went back and forth between focusing on target and looking at the ground about 5-10ft in front of me and the times where faster not a ton but definitely faster and also when I focused on the target my hits where better. It does make sense since your focusing on the target and not having to focus on the ground-draw-sights-target-fire vs target-draw-sights-fire

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On 10/20/2017 at 5:37 PM, benos said:

"Vision specialists" will say this is not possible... But here's where I ended up. Before the buzzer, look "softly" at the target, right where you want the sights to be. At the buzzer, bring your focus back to where your front sight will end up. With sufficient practice - especially dry-drawing - you will be able to have the front sight in perfect focus the instant it stops on the center of the target. 

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I was listening to some interviews with Jerry Miculek and could never figure out what he meant by this. Then I watched an older video where he laid it out in more detail, and it clicked. I keep forgetting to do it, but it's so freaking quick.

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My eyes are on the first actionable item. If draw and shoot, then it is on the target. Pick up a loaded gun from a table, then it is on the gun. Unloaded gun and magazine on the table then it is on both. Draw and pick up a magazine from a barrel to load then my eyes are on the magazine.

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I develop a mental picture in my head of what my first set of moves are. At the "Shooter ready? Standby..." I've got almost a tunnel vision death stare at the first target I have to engage. I know exactly where my holster and pouches are from lots of dry practice and I index the butt of my pistol along my forearm so at the "BEEP", my muscle memory takes over snatching the pistol out of the holster and bringing it up to chest level like a high-ready position and begin punching it outwards just like pointing my finger in front of my face (more like my thumbs pointing). As I'm punching out the pistol and the sights start to line up on target, I'm already prepping that trigger to break the shot the moment I have complete sight alignment. I don't do the cast up method of raising up the pistol with already outstretched arms, it just never worked for me. The more things I can get my body to do from muscle memory means less things I have waste mental time worrying about so I can focus on my targets and executing the stage according to my game plan which isn't always the best one. lol

 

On 2/28/2018 at 12:59 PM, tanks said:

My eyes are on the first actionable item. If draw and shoot, then it is on the target. Pick up a loaded gun from a table, then it is on the gun. Unloaded gun and magazine on the table then it is on both. Draw and pick up a magazine from a barrel to load then my eyes are on the magazine.


Solid points there, Tanks.

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I have only tested this in steel challenge, but it is interesting that I'm not any faster if I am looking at the first target vs looking down at the gun (shooting 22 from low ready). In fact, it seemed very slightly faster to start looking at the gun. This has caused me to stop worrying about whether the RO makes me look straight ahead on a uspsa stage, or whether I can turn my head to see the first target. I just don't think it matters.

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29 minutes ago, motosapiens said:

I have only tested this in steel challenge, but it is interesting that I'm not any faster if I am looking at the first target vs looking down at the gun (shooting 22 from low ready). In fact, it seemed very slightly faster to start looking at the gun. This has caused me to stop worrying about whether the RO makes me look straight ahead on a uspsa stage, or whether I can turn my head to see the first target. I just don't think it matters.

 

I can see it not mattering when shooting steel challenge from the low ready. You're already lined up on your first target, can it see peripherally, and your focal point is already close to the sights. I think it's likely a difference would be noticed if you were starting from the holster and looking at the gun.

 

It's not something that concerns me in uspsa since ultimately it's the same for everyone. I'll start looking at the target if the option is available.

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On 4/26/2018 at 2:38 PM, Jake Di Vita said:

 I think it's likely a difference would be noticed if you were starting from the holster and looking at the gun.

 

 

perhaps if i was looking at the gun in the holster.... that's a long ways from where I need to eventually be looking. But there doesn't seem to be any difference between looking straight ahead vs looking at the first target. Of course that is just my experience and my measurement. If the timer shows different for someone else, then by all means incorporate that knowledge into your plan.

 

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On ‎4‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 4:03 PM, motosapiens said:

I have only tested this in steel challenge, but it is interesting that I'm not any faster if I am looking at the first target vs looking down at the gun (shooting 22 from low ready). In fact, it seemed very slightly faster to start looking at the gun. This has caused me to stop worrying about whether the RO makes me look straight ahead on a uspsa stage, or whether I can turn my head to see the first target. I just don't think it matters.

 

In Steel Challenge, especially when it is hot and sunny I find it difficult to keep a sharp focus and my full attention on the first plate from the time I assume the surrender position until the buzzer goes off. So I have pondered the question also, not so much from a finding a good sight picture but rather trying to maintain  a sharp mind set. Lately, when drawing from a holster in SCSA I have been looking at the target then glancing down at the base of the target then back to the target as I anticipate the buzzer this seems to help me keep my mind more sharper on the task at hand. Maybe I have an attention disorder I don't know about?

 

I have been goofing around with open rimfire pistol SCSA, not trying to be good at it just having fun. Since the index for that gun is different than my open revo I naturally have to wiggle around to find the dot. So in my goofing around with this gun I have been looking at the dot aimed at the rimfire cone and following it to the first target. This is probably a slow (and dumb) method and if I were serious about RFPO I would practice bring the gun up as one would normally would but I'm actually satisfied with the scores I have been getting in this cof, better than I actually deserve given the lack of training and effort.

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6 hours ago, colt45acp said:

I try to concentrate on the center of the A zone on the first target hoping that sights will follow.

 

This assumes you can see the first target from the start position, but yes this is has been my MO. After recently taking a movement class, if a stage requires a move at the start, I'm going to be looking at where I want my feet to end up for the first array. On the way there, my eyes will move up to the target.

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I used to stare intently at the first thing I had to shoot or do. But I've changed the shooting part of that now to bringing my visual awareness to the point in space where my sights will be in front of my face. So I'm "looking" about two and half feet in front of my face.

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On 7/13/2018 at 6:25 AM, Janskis said:

My first objective.

 

Be it the first target to be shot, the place where I'm supposed to run or my handgun on a table, whatever the stage may require.


I scrolled down to say exactly this and see that I was beat.

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My first objective.
 
Be it the first target to be shot, the place where I'm supposed to run or my handgun on a table, whatever the stage may require.

This is the best advice. Always want to focus on where you going or shooting. It gets you in the game faster.


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