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4 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said:

Back in the 70's, we didn't spend so much time worrying about

getting shot, accidentally, as we do today    :) 

 

Wouldn't it hurt just as much back then as it would today. LOL :o 

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1 hour ago, warpspeed said:

An interesting topic - good suggestions all but really what we need in the world or practical shooting is a Hall of Fame.

 

 

Generally Mount Rushmore conversations are just something to get sports TV shows more viewers. BUT it acknowledges the history of the sport and anything that pushes the view of USPSA towards a sport is a good thing. I also think we should do something like an all-star game. Teams East vs West in a Pro-Am style match. All steel. Easy to televise.

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Rob Leathem

Todd Jarret

Dave Sevigney

And Nils Jonasson

 

Why them and not Max, Stoger, and even Jerry?  Because those guys while great, they are specialist.  My group has won across divisions, and also they have all also won the worlds, and while it is IPSC and not USPSA, I think it does have some bearing.  (I did not include 3 gun, or else Jerry would be on there for sure)

 

Also while looking back TGO is the undisputed champ, but TJ was just almost as dominate, just not for as long

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1 hour ago, Steve RA said:

I don't think I'd call Jerry a specialist considering he's won more in various shooting endeavors than any of the others.  I certainly think he should be included.

I think he is referring to him being more of a revolver guy than anything else in uspsa.

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^^^^^This.  If you look, the only national title in uspsa/ipsc  pistol matches Jerry has won is in revolver (notice my 3 gun exception).  Jerry is an unbelievable shooter, but in USPSA/IPSC handgun matches at the highest level, he is defiantly a specialist.  He probably could have been a multi-division champ if he would of tried, but he never did.

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2 hours ago, Wesquire said:

I think he is referring to him being more of a revolver guy than anything else in uspsa.

Part of my thought process takes into consideration the degree to which the shooter has promoted the sport.  I'd say that if you approached a crowd of non-USPSA shooters and asked them to name one USPSA shooter, or the one shooter they most admire and wish to emulate, Miculek is the name they'll know.  And if they don't name him, it might just be his daughter-- same last name either way!

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Depends on what the criteria for inclusion are -- if it takes winning a world shoot, Cooper is out, as are many others.....

 

I'm not sure the four Presidents on Mt. Rushmore are necessarily there, because they were or are the four greatest presidents in the history of the country -- but I could be wrong.

 

Contributions to the Sport: Jeff Cooper would need to be considered along with the other attendees at the Columbia Conference.  Brian makes that list for me pretty easily -- whatever price or penalty he may have paid competing in IPSC/USPSA at the same time as Rob Leatham -- is offset by his book, this website and the many competitors in the last 16 years who improved in practical shooting as the result of reading his book, participating in the discussions here, finding training partners, friends, etc.  Would those folks have made it anyway?  Perhaps, but they got there faster, as a result of information gleaned and connections made here.  

 

John Amidon goes on the list for his contributions to the rules, NROI, and for the institutional knowledge he possessed.

 

So does Dave Thomas -- for taking the first steps needed in beginning to turn the organization from an all-volunteer model to something resembling a professional operation.

 

Want to talk trainers -- Rob, Jerry Barnhart, Todd Jarrett and many others go on the list.

 

I also think Range Officers and Competitors, run of the mill competitors and ROs get considered for contributions to the sport.  Without either of them, it wouldn't exist.

 

This list is by no means inclusive -- as the history of the sport evolves, other names will get added for consideration.

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12 hours ago, Nik Habicht said:

Depends on what the criteria for inclusion are -- if it takes winning a world shoot, Cooper is out, as are many others.....

 

I'm not sure the four Presidents on Mt. Rushmore are necessarily there, because they were or are the four greatest presidents in the history of the country -- but I could be wrong.

 

Contributions to the Sport: Jeff Cooper would need to be considered along with the other attendees at the Columbia Conference.  Brian makes that list for me pretty easily -- whatever price or penalty he may have paid competing in IPSC/USPSA at the same time as Rob Leatham -- is offset by his book, this website and the many competitors in the last 16 years who improved in practical shooting as the result of reading his book, participating in the discussions here, finding training partners, friends, etc.  Would those folks have made it anyway?  Perhaps, but they got there faster, as a result of information gleaned and connections made here.  

 

John Amidon goes on the list for his contributions to the rules, NROI, and for the institutional knowledge he possessed.

 

So does Dave Thomas -- for taking the first steps needed in beginning to turn the organization from an all-volunteer model to something resembling a professional operation.

 

Want to talk trainers -- Rob, Jerry Barnhart, Todd Jarrett and many others go on the list.

 

I also think Range Officers and Competitors, run of the mill competitors and ROs get considered for contributions to the sport.  Without either of them, it wouldn't exist.

 

This list is by no means inclusive -- as the history of the sport evolves, other names will get added for consideration.

 

They were picked because they were considered the best presidents. The top 4 generally consists of Lincoln, Washington, FDR, and Jefferson. Mount Rushmore was done before FDR, and Teddy is usually around #5 on most polls.

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6 hours ago, Wesquire said:

 

They were picked because they were considered the best presidents. The top 4 generally consists of Lincoln, Washington, FDR, and Jefferson. Mount Rushmore was done before FDR, and Teddy is usually around #5 on most polls.

Not according to the creator of the Memorial -- see here....

 

Best apparently had little to do with it.....

 

Contribution however did....

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I wouldn't put anyone on the list who was *proven* to have accepted a time he knew was incorrect at a major match.

 

But also I would make sure to not put ONLY old white guys on the list. Statues and sculptures seem to be attracting alot of attention from the more racially divisive elements of society these days. ;)

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1 hour ago, motosapiens said:

I wouldn't put anyone on the list who was *proven* to have accepted a time he knew was incorrect at a major match.

 

But also I would make sure to not put ONLY old white guys on the list. Statues and sculptures seem to be attracting alot of attention from the more racially divisive elements of society these days. ;)

Who did that? I'm never in on the gossip

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On 8/18/2017 at 9:31 PM, Sarge said:

  I'll give you guys this much, you have a lot of guts. I mean, these are Brian's forums after all. And I doubt he ever crushed beer cans with a Nationals trophy.

  

 

 

On 8/18/2017 at 9:32 PM, Sarge said:

This isn't Talladega nights. 

Yes and Amen

Doing it right is a lot more than just doing it!

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