jackson923 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Lucas Oil PCC Championship September 1st - 3rd 2017 www.pccchampionship.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson923 Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 I know this won't be a multi gun match but here is the link for the Lucas Oil PCC World Championship www.pccchampionship.com September 1st - 3rd 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishhunter3 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 the stages are up on there facebook page looks like it's going to be fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10cup Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) Very expensive match, but looks like loads of fun.......550 rounds!! Edited August 1, 2017 by 10cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Is there a new range there that's not showing up on the maps or stages laid out in the natural terrain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd7446 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Yes, it's a new range. Ten bays were carved out of the natural terrain at the Lucas Cattle Ranch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmooberry Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 This looks like a blast! I'm surprised there are so many openings left, still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson923 Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share Posted August 5, 2017 On 8/1/2017 at 2:07 PM, stein said: Is there a new range there that's not showing up on the maps or stages laid out in the natural terrain? On 8/2/2017 at 11:01 AM, Todd7446 said: Yes, it's a new range. Ten bays were carved out of the natural terrain at the Lucas Cattle Ranch. Yes and exactly what Todd said ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson923 Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share Posted August 5, 2017 On 8/1/2017 at 11:20 AM, 10cup said: Very expensive match, but looks like loads of fun.......550 rounds!! $225 is a very reasonable match fee as a major match with that many stages. Most major matches average $275-330. There are a lot of heavy weight industry sponsors coming on board to support the match as well as cash pay outs to the top 5 shooters with 6-XXX walking the prize table. 1st place will get $10K 2nd $5K 3rd $3,500 4th $2,500 5th 1,500 more information can be found at www.facebook.com/pccchampionship/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 "Time plus" scoring. Pass. There's only one gun, use hit factor scoring. Hotels are 25 miles away, at the closest. One is 50. Seriously? Maybe why it isn't full. Just my observations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Locally we had a "hosefest" match recently with Time Plus scoring. It was a big hit with folks requesting these matches more often, And 25 miles to a hotel? That's about average for some of the Texas major matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 9 hours ago, OPENB said: "Time plus" scoring. Pass. There's only one gun, use hit factor scoring. Hotels are 25 miles away, at the closest. One is 50. Seriously? Maybe why it isn't full. Just my observations. We are running the AZ State PCC Championship with Time-Plus scoring. It is just a lot faster to reset the stages... drama-free scoring has its benefits. We could never get 120 shooters through 8 stages in one day with Hit Factor scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, StealthyBlagga said: We are running the AZ State PCC Championship with Time-Plus scoring. It is just a lot faster to reset the stages... drama-free scoring has its benefits. We could never get 120 shooters through 8 stages in one day with Hit Factor scoring. We have to agree to disagree, Stealthy. Yes, Time-plus is a bit faster to score (a legit benefit) but it promotes sloppy shooting (a legit detractor). I wish the AZ State PCC championship was run under USPSA rules and scoring (and I'm probably the only one......). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) There's Nuthin' as Fun as Sloppy Shooting... we should print that on the match shirts Seriously, we gave it some thought but the time crunch is too daunting. If the match takes off, we could consider rolling it over more days, in which case we might reconsider using HF scoring, a post-match finish-based prize table and other things that we might prefer. Even with Time-Plus, we can present challenging shots that will punish the sloppy shooters. In the end, I am confident the same folks will still win regardless of scoring method. Edited August 14, 2017 by StealthyBlagga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 I respect the need to "move em thru" but why use a gun capable of such good accuracy & watch guys blast thru with sloppy hits. Seems like a waste of time & ammo. We would never consider scoring a handgun match that way, why would it be any different with a carbine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, OPENB said: I respect the need to "move em thru" but why use a gun capable of such good accuracy & watch guys blast thru with sloppy hits. Seems like a waste of time & ammo. We would never consider scoring a handgun match that way, why would it be any different with a carbine? We don't shoot handguns at small targets or extended ranges... our PCC match will have a significant number of shots out in the 50-200 yard range. Our match will not look anything like a USPSA handgun match. That's the advantage of running a dedicated PCC match vs. shoehorning PCCs into handgun matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Ok. 200 with a PCC? Respect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, OPENB said: Ok. 200 with a PCC? Respect! Impressive (unless the target is the size of a Buick). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4045 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I signed up, but never looked at the scoring. too late to worry about it now. I like stage points myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 On 8/13/2017 at 5:24 PM, kellyn said: We have to agree to disagree, Stealthy. Yes, Time-plus is a bit faster to score (a legit benefit) but it promotes sloppy shooting (a legit detractor). I wish the AZ State PCC championship was run under USPSA rules and scoring (and I'm probably the only one......). I've always disagreed with that sentiment. It's not difficult to make an accuracy challenging Time Plus match. If that's the goal. Distance, small steel, hard cover, no shoots. It's not difficult to test accuracy. In fact the most challenging shots I've made in competition have been at Time Plus matches. But I do see a lot of just hoser time plus matches as well. Just depends on what the match staff decide they want the flavor of their match to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMedic Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 So I'm looking over the format and have a question; This is only a 2-day event on the 2nd-3rd correct? The Friday before is for shooters that are trying to shoot the whole match one day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darqusoull13 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Yes Doc. Full day Friday or half days Sat/Sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson923 Posted August 24, 2017 Author Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) Great sponsors are on board for this match, check out this list: X-Rail JP Enterprises Nordic Components Clear Image Solutions Sierra Bullets T1Ammunition Taran Tactical Innovations L.A. Police Gear Luth-AR Kel-Tec Rifenbark Armory Lancer Systems Safariland Hyperfire Timney Triggers Vortex Optics Taccom American Defense Manufacturing Springer Precision Colt Weber Tactical Trojan Firearms Velocity Tactics Precision MP Faxon Firearms Magpul Ergo Grips Tactical Sh1T Bare Arms Quarter Circle 10 Buds Gun Shop Edited August 24, 2017 by jackson923 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark97se Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 On 8/13/2017 at 7:34 PM, StealthyBlagga said: We don't shoot handguns at small targets or extended ranges... our PCC match will have a significant number of shots out in the 50-200 yard range. Our match will not look anything like a USPSA handgun match. That's the advantage of running a dedicated PCC match vs. shoehorning PCCs into handgun matches. I heard that Tony wants max of 50 yards and Mike wants more like 80-100 yards max. Where is 200 yards coming from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, mark97se said: I heard that Tony wants max of 50 yards and Mike wants more like 80-100 yards max. Where is 200 yards coming from? Sorry,... I was referring to the AZ State PCC Championship, where we will have targets out between 100 and 200 yards.. I should not have posted that confusing statement in this thread. To be clear, I have no affiliation with the Lucas Oil match, nor do I know what target distances they might be contemplating. Unfortunately, BE won't let me edit that post for clarity. If a moderator sees this, perhaps they could modify the post for me? Edited August 25, 2017 by StealthyBlagga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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