Just4FunLP Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I've got an Accu Shadow with quite a few miles on it, and have planned to replace it at the end of the year. I really wanted to get another identical Accu, but now that they've come out with the Shadow 2 I think I should make the switch. I just looked on the CZ Custom website and they're selling the Accu Shadow 2 now. That's the one I want. Any idea when it could be approved? How does it work? Seemed like the Shadow 2 made the list pretty fast. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I'd buy it if it were production legal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quack Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 I thought Stuart said getting an Accu bushing installed is legal, as the bushing is on a Production legal gun, and the milling is internal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Yeah but is the accu shadow listed as a specific model on the approved production gun list? It is, so it's treated like a totally different gun. Just like the shadow 2 with a bushing would be. You just can't add a bushing to any old cz you want retroactively and be production legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just4FunLP Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 So, they will have to build 2,000 of these things before it can be on the list. I wonder how long that will take..?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Actually the argument is a part that is legal on a production legal gun would be allowable on another production legal gun. USPSA has pretty much open the doors on production alllowing for aftermarket hammers, etc to be legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 sounds like it's a good time now to make it Production legal. Who needs to submit the paperwork? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 as soon as it's legal explicitly i'll do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHicks8h Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 On 7/17/2017 at 0:03 PM, cheby said: sounds like it's a good time now to make it Production legal. Who needs to submit the paperwork? It sounds like based on Stuart's comment and the recent ruling on hammers, someone could send the official question to DNROI to get an official ruling if adding the accu-bushing to it would be an allowable modification. In all honesty removing the factory bushing and tapping the slide is all internal modification and the external part is on a production approved gun, so it actually makes more sense than the hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 email sent to dnroi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHicks8h Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 4 hours ago, rowdyb said: email sent to dnroi With your experience on CZs I am sure the question was great. Keep us posted when you get something back. Thanks for doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Troy McManus 6:00 PM (3 hours ago) to me Yes, you can do that. On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 4:03 PM Rowdy Bricco wrote: Can I install a Accu bushing like I have on my Accu Shadow onto my Shadow 2 and remain Production Division legal? Accu Shadow is on the Prod list and the Shadow 2 is on the Prod list. My understanding of the process is that adding the bushing requires only internal work on the gun's slide. As far as external, the Cajun Gun Works 10x bushing has a different external profile than the stock bushing and is allowed in Production. Is this correct and sufficient reasoning to allow the modification I've proposed? Thank you. Rowdy Bricco A88278 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Print it and put it in your bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 28 minutes ago, eerw said: Print it and put it in your bag Step 1. Get a second Shadow 2. Step 2. Do trigger and other work as taught by CJ. Step 3. Send to you for lpa/kensight and Accu bushing. Step 4. Print it and put it in my bag. Hahaha, I still have a few steps to go unless you know of a shortcut...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrT_shootsAcz Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 That's great news. Thanks for doing the leg work and posting Troy's reply Rowdy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidoff Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) So if I understand this correctly, Troy is now invalidating 21.2b? Can I mill front serrations into a Glock since that is now a factory option that is present on a different listed gun by the same manufacturer? I just don't get these "clarifications" that seem to directly contradict the text in the rulebook. Edited July 28, 2017 by Davidoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Are the new Glock FS models on the Production list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidoff Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 On 7/29/2017 at 4:15 PM, rowdyb said: Are the new Glock FS models on the Production list? Does that matter? Is the Shadow 2 Accu on the list? Can I mill a slot into the top of a G17 because the G34 has one? I'm just saying that 21.2b says milling is not permitted, but Troy seems to be OK with milling threads for the accu bushing into the slide of a Shadow 2. It seems like a contradiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just4FunLP Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 I'm ready to order an ACCU 2. It looks like if I order it now I'll get it some time in November. I can wait a few months for it to make the production gun list, but I'd hate for it to take a year or more. Anyone have a clue as to when this may happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrT_shootsAcz Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, Just4FunLP said: I'm ready to order an ACCU 2. It looks like if I order it now I'll get it some time in November. I can wait a few months for it to make the production gun list, but I'd hate for it to take a year or more. Anyone have a clue as to when this may happen? On 7/22/2017 at 8:14 PM, rowdyb said: Troy McManus 6:00 PM (3 hours ago) to me Yes, you can do that. On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 4:03 PM Rowdy Bricco wrote: Can I install a Accu bushing like I have on my Accu Shadow onto my Shadow 2 and remain Production Division legal? Accu Shadow is on the Prod list and the Shadow 2 is on the Prod list. My understanding of the process is that adding the bushing requires only internal work on the gun's slide. As far as external, the Cajun Gun Works 10x bushing has a different external profile than the stock bushing and is allowed in Production. Is this correct and sufficient reasoning to allow the modification I've proposed? Thank you. Rowdy Bricco A88278 My understanding is based on this quote... the accu-shadow 2 is already production legal. It would seem very silly to say that the CGW 10x bushing is alright but the CZC bushing is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 well I am not so sure about that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionaryMike Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 It's a legal modification b/c the DNROI has specifically responded (thanks, @rowdyb) to the exact question of the legality of CZ Custom's Accu bushing modification on a pistol that is currently on the USPSA NROI Production gun list. We should understand this to mean that any other gun on this approved list can be sent into CZC to have the Accu bushing modification installed and still be considered a Production Division legal pistol. Of course, CZC has to be willing to do the work if it's a gun that they don't already offer the service for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I'm tired of trying to defend this, it's not my job to. I asked a question, I got an answer. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrT_shootsAcz Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, rowdyb said: I'm tired of trying to defend this, it's not my job to. I asked a question, I got an answer. The end. Your initial response was good enough for me Rowdy. I already have it printed and ready to go for nationals because I will absolutely be shooting my Cajun S2 with bushing. I'm more than happy to post what happens for all those concerned and awaiting something more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) After that recent incident at A3, I would not be surprised to run into the same kind of BS with Accushadow 2. Especially considering that accushadow is specifically listed on the production list. Edited August 28, 2017 by cheby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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