Bamaboy Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 4/6/2017 at 9:27 PM, racer-x said: The HS-6 with 115's shot nice, really nice. Even though my heaviest loads only made 169PF. Dialed in my 115 & 124 loads with a little more powder and can't wait to work more with both at 172PF. Gotta say, at this point HS-6 with 115's is right there as the best feeling load I've tested. Primers looked nearly identical to same PF WAC loads. How dirty was the hs6. I hear clean from some and dirty from others. For me CFE Pistol is extremely dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamaboy Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 4/7/2017 at 8:39 AM, 357SIG said: As a rule you want to use the slowest burning powder that will make major with the case capacity you are working with. This usually will feel softer and makes the most gas to work the comp. This applies to all the open calibers but IMO more in a 9 major. The COAL is going to play a big part in how much pressure is made, seating a bullet even a slight amount deeper with the same powder charge can increase pressure a lot. There are other ways to lower the pressure spike in a particular load like the twist rate of the barrel or more free bore. Over many years I have seen many open guns experience things breaking and cracking from pushing the limits of what the design and material were meant to handle. The cause from these were usually able to be figured out and smiths were able to build better more reliable guns. Then came the 9 major with the rule change and the amount of guns breaking has gone way up and this is no coincidence. I think there are things that can be done to help lower the chances of breaking something in the loading of the 9 major pistols. what powder would you use then. Im about to redo my load completely and not sure where to go. I want something clean and slow but not a full case. Im on a 650 that isn't always smooth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacivilian Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, Bamaboy said: what powder would you use then. Im about to redo my load completely and not sure where to go. I want something clean and slow but not a full case. Im on a 650 that isn't always smooth Autocomp is fairly clean and does not fill up the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 31 minutes ago, Bamaboy said: what powder would you use then. Im about to redo my load completely and not sure where to go. I want something clean and slow but not a full case. Im on a 650 that isn't always smooth These locator buttons help: https://reloadinginnovations.com/products/spill-stop-for-dillon-650-1050 This picture will give you an idea of what a major charge of some popular powders under a 115gr bullet looks like: If you want less fill and cleaner than HS6, I recommend Silhouette, I've tried pretty much everything and I never recommend Autocomp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamaboy Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, kneelingatlas said: These locator buttons help: https://reloadinginnovations.com/products/spill-stop-for-dillon-650-1050 This picture will give you an idea of what a major charge of some popular powders under a 115gr bullet looks like: If you want less fill and cleaner than HS6, I recommend Silhouette, I've tried pretty much everything and I never recommend Autocomp. I have seen basically nothing on silhouette how slow is it compared to HS6 or 3n38. and im on a 124 grn bullet so not quite as much powder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 4/7/2017 at 10:44 PM, racer-x said: #3 Agreed. My CK gun with the short throat and PVD barrel is a challenge here. I ordered a carbide throater, but that's 6-8 weeks custom build and $$. Actually, @1911luvr has a guy who makes them in carbide. I bought one off of him last week - at the time he still had 2 left from his last batch. It cuts hardened Glock, XD, and Walther barrels like butter. The same barrels that laughed at my Cymler highspeed steel reamer from Midway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 (edited) <double tap> Edited August 9, 2018 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Bamaboy said: I have seen basically nothing on silhouette how slow is it compared to HS6 or 3n38. and im on a 124 grn bullet so not quite as much powder It's slightly faster than both of those, but slower than Autocomp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer-x Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 52 minutes ago, MemphisMechanic said: Actually, @1911luvr has a guy who makes them in carbide. I bought one off of him last week - at the time he still had 2 left from his last batch. It cuts hardened Glock, XD, and Walther barrels like butter. The same barrels that laughed at my Cymler highspeed steel reamer from Midway. That's an old post - I got mine a year ago - worked awesome too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer-x Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 Check out this thread for details on my side by side comparison between HS6 and AA#7. https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/254878-aa7-how-dirty-is-it Also details where the 'cornmeal' comes from... Been shooting AA#7 ever since and still like it best of all powders I've tried with 9Major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevrofreak Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Bamaboy said: I have seen basically nothing on silhouette how slow is it compared to HS6 or 3n38. and im on a 124 grn bullet so not quite as much powder A lot of guys run 7.6-7.7 under a 124. I am running 8.3 under a 115. Description: 115 PD JHP - 8.3gr Silhouette - S&B SPP - mixed brass - 1.145" - CK Open gun Distance to Chrono (FT): 10.00 Bullet Weight (gr): 115.000 Altitude (FT): 3600.0 Temp: 94 °F BP: 25.34 inHG Shots # FPS FT-LBS PF 20 1514 585.42 174.11 19 1458 542.91 167.67 18 1495 570.82 171.93 17 1504 577.71 172.96 16 1471 552.64 169.16 15 1474 554.89 169.51 14 1501 575.41 172.62 13 1482 560.93 170.43 12 1469 551.13 168.93 11 1481 560.17 170.32 10 1492 568.53 171.58 9 1462 545.89 168.13 8 1471 552.64 169.16 7 1468 550.38 168.82 6 1464 547.39 168.36 5 1506 579.25 173.19 4 1459 543.66 167.79 3 1467 549.63 168.71 2 1462 545.89 168.13 1 1462 545.89 168.13 Average: 1478.10 StdDev: 17.68 Min: 1458 Max: 1514 Spread: 56 True MV: 1479.78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 (edited) @racer-x I know how old that was. I was mostly pointing other guys in the direction of a forum member with a good rep who has carbide reamers available. Edited August 9, 2018 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevadazielmeister Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 2 hours ago, kneelingatlas said: These locator buttons help: https://reloadinginnovations.com/products/spill-stop-for-dillon-650-1050 Those products are AMAZING. I just ordered the locator buttons and hope they will help. Spilling powder was such a huge pain for me. Thank you for sharing that link friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindmarksman Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 can't wait to get into this open game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncie21 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 On 8/9/2018 at 1:32 PM, kneelingatlas said: If you want less fill and cleaner than HS6, I recommend Silhouette, I've tried pretty much everything and I never recommend Autocomp. What's the issue with autocomp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 7 hours ago, muncie21 said: What's the issue with autocomp? Check out this thread: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevadazielmeister Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 On 8/9/2018 at 10:32 AM, kneelingatlas said: These locator buttons help: https://reloadinginnovations.com/products/spill-stop-for-dillon-650-1050 This picture will give you an idea of what a major charge of some popular powders under a 115gr bullet looks like: If you want less fill and cleaner than HS6, I recommend Silhouette, I've tried pretty much everything and I never recommend Autocomp. That's weird, because I believe that the weights of powder above are incorrect. Here is what I have with a 9mm case holding 9.1 grains of VV 3N38: The case on the left is the 38 Super Comp case that held the powder that is now in the 9mm case on the right. Something seemed strange in the previous photo and do not appear accurate. Also, it must be said that I had a hell of a time keeping the powder in the 9mm case and cannot imagine compressing such a round. I just thought it fair for people to see ACTUAL powder charge sizes, no some mystical variation. Just so the kids at home know, the 9mm major is going to need a faster powder to make major. From my experience, faster more energetic powders produce greater recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer-x Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 There is a decent variation in case volume with 9MM depending on make and how it is processed. I'm currently loading 9.3 grains of 3N38 in mixed range brass using LEE U-die in 1050 with MBF. No problems with too much powder at this charge for me. I experimented a few months ago and found that for me, 9.4 grains is where I started having about 5% of bullets tip over after placed by MBF from too much powder. Good for me in that 9.2 grains makes 170PF in my Chaos. Here are some pics I took this morning illustrating my 9.3 grain 3N38 charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer-x Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 Also, here is a case full of 3N38 and then scraped off flat. 10.44 grains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Benji Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 And here I thought 9.6 AA7 was a lot.... that is crazy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhyrum Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I loaded 9.7 vv 3n38 under a 152 grain bullet making major. I love vv powders for their cleanliness. But if you load on a progressive set a bullet on it right away, the powder is right up there on the mouthSent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Right now I'm loading 10.5gr of Lovex D037.1: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Running 9.3 AA7 in a new DVC-O. Seems ti like it there. 124 PD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 I really like major pistol 37.1 But not going to pay $50.00 lb. any love for silhouette? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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