dkizer Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I've got an STI GM in 38 Super. When the hook broke on the extractor last year I replaced it with an Aftec for 38 Super. Popped it in with both springs following all instructions. It has run like a top since. I decided to get a 9mm barrel fitted to "Ole Painless". I picked up a 9mm/38 SC Aftec. Popped it in with both springs according to all instructions. Way, way too much tension. I reinstalled with one spring (rear) and still too much tension. I compressed the spring for 10 - 15 seconds and still too much tension. It takes a lot to get it to turn loose of a dummy. I'm getting a lot of mis-feeds too on all magazines with 9mm, none with Super. The 38 Super Aftec supplies less than optimum tension (won't really hold an empty case) in the same gun with both springs installed but the extra rim on the Super is probably forgiving. Anyone have any suggestions? I was going to call Aftec for tech support but haven't been able to find a webpage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keola5o4 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I've had the same issue in the beginning with 9mm major and the aftec, solution was I only run 1 front spring and rounded the bottom edge of the extractor, 1 year and 5 major matches with a couple locals the same extractor is still in it without a hiccup. Hope the info helps alittle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkizer Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Keola5o4 said: I've had the same issue in the beginning with 9mm major and the aftec, solution was I only run 1 front spring and rounded the bottom edge of the extractor, 1 year and 5 major matches with a couple locals the same extractor is still in it without a hiccup. Hope the info helps alittle Thanks for the response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keola5o4 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 No problem! Hope others chime in also, pretty good topic you came up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tha1000 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I haven't had a chance to test the aftec I put in my 9mm, but it seems pretty stout on the tension front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler2you Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I've had success with squeezing the AFTEC with both springs and clip tightly in a padded vice overnight. It eased up the tension on one of mine nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ano Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 remove some material, and round/bevel bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkizer Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 Thanks all. I'm going to try all of the above one at a time starting with the spring mashing. I'll post results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357SIG Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 The extractor is made to be fit to the slide, these are not drop in unless you just get lucky. Slide dimensions are not exactly the same, so just as most parts in a 1911/2011 they must be hand fit. These are by far the best extractors on the market and when fit properly will work flawlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkizer Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 On 3/30/2017 at 6:37 AM, 357SIG said: The extractor is made to be fit to the slide, these are not drop in unless you just get lucky. Slide dimensions are not exactly the same, so just as most parts in a 1911/2011 they must be hand fit. These are by far the best extractors on the market and when fit properly will work flawlessly. Yeah. I was surprised with the difference in the "fit". I was expecting the only difference in the dimensions between the two Aftecs to be on the hook. Since the 9mm is going in the same hole in the same slide with the same fitted FP block as the 38 Super I was expecting something different. I'm going to give the above suggestions a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkizer Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 Appreciate all the input. I compressed the extractor and springs in the vise overnight, did a little judicious filing on the hook and reinstalled. It was better but the case was still held a little tight so I reinstalled with the front spring only. I took it out for a short session. I ran 100 rounds of the same ammo from 3 mags (including a full 170mm MBX) with no issues. I'm hoping to get it out once more before the match this weekend but I'm very encouraged. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 When you all talk about tuning the Aftec, you really mean tuning the firing pin stop, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Hello: There is a difference between the old Aftec and the new Aftec. I am not sure how old they need to be the old style. My understanding was that they lost the program for the original and had to redo it some years back. I cut one coil off the front spring for 9mm and use the full length rear spring. I also have to radius the claw on the Aftec to help it ramp up the breach face. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeski Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, RaylanGivens said: When you all talk about tuning the Aftec, you really mean tuning the firing pin stop, right? No, the Aftec is the Extractor that is being used and tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Of course... However the Aftec notes say not to mess with the actual extractor... and all the notes talk about modifying the firing pin stop... and it says grinding on the extractor voids the warranty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeski Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I know the instructions talks about having to file down the Firing pin stop to fit the groove in the extractor. Most people do file down the hook a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipscjoe Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I had NOTHING but trouble trying to use the correct extractor just like you. I ended up putting a super extractor in and it works flawlessly with super comp now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantwoodok Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 On 4/11/2017 at 1:28 PM, RaylanGivens said: When you all talk about tuning the Aftec, you really mean tuning the firing pin stop, right? I had a similar issue after my STI GM came back from refinishing. I had run the Aftec for almost 2 years with both springs, and I had never rounded the edges of the firing pin stop either. Gun previously ran flawlessly. However reinstalled as it was before the gun run like a single shot revolver. Replace springs, no difference, rounded the firing pin stop and removed front spring and BINGO, runs flawlessly again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelix Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 What is the easiest way to get a aftec in with both springs. I have a new 38sc that came with only the rear spring in but there is no tension on the brass, the brass won't fall but there should some tension right. I did contact the builder and he said try both spring and I though I was going to bend the firing ping using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamboo Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Turn the Aftec about 90 degrees (so the spring cap is on the upper side) and tilt the spring cap up on the back end so the front end tilts down. Push the Aftec in a little more until the cap enters the extractor tunnel and once you get the spring cap started in the narrow part of the tunnel you install as normal. BTW - i have never had an Aftec that didn't require tuning/tweaking/shaping to get running right. I have them in a few guns, and have some with a standard extractor. I like the Aftec as once tuned they tend to be very consistent with the ejection. However, there isn't anything wrong with a standard extractor and I think they are easier to tune up and get running as they aren't that complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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