WS6 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Why do they all have a V/notch in the end? Noone could possibly think this is ergonomic for loading, so it MUST serve some sort of purpose, as it also seems it would require more time/energy to put it there vs. not. So what purpose does the V cut-out serve, functionally? What is being "given up" by going with a TTI or FFT shell lifter for the sake of ergonomics/not catching your thumb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 The V cut is required by federal law from the "fair chase" section of codified U.S. Fish and Wildlife laws. The reader's digest version is that the animal has to have a chance even though small that the "operator" "might" get is thumb stuck or injured allowing the animal to flee unharmed. It is also codified in the U.S. firearms act of 1927 that nothing can or shall come in contact with the priming system of a cartridge EXCEPT a striker of firing pin, and the cutout ensures compliance with federal law so that the primer can't get touch, as it is loaded, by any part of the firearm. Remember that these are internet answers and may be, or not be true, but if technical sounding enough, and backed by government regulations, they must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinWolv Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Help center the shell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmCaudata Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Why do they all have a V/notch in the end? Noone could possibly think this is ergonomic for loading, so it MUST serve some sort of purpose, as it also seems it would require more time/energy to put it there vs. not. So what purpose does the V cut-out serve, functionally? What is being "given up" by going with a TTI or FFT shell lifter for the sake of ergonomics/not catching your thumb?As mentioned keeps she'll centered for feeding. The Vinci carrier had a good idea for a fix that left the fork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WS6 Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 Oh sweet lord. This is what Benelli CS had to say when I asked the same question.... It is for the thumb to have extra clearance when loading. As for the aftermarket parts we cannot guarantee that they will function properly in the gun. Sincerely, TechSupport1Technical Service RepresentativeBenelli USA, 901 8th StreetPocomoke, MD, 21851 p: 1-800-264-4962 option 2f: 410-957-4184 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WS6 Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 2 hours ago, AustinWolv said: Help center the shell Should I take this to mean that the TTI and FFT carriers could in theory reduce reliability of the Benelli platform? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdriver Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 The real question is, why don't they stay up...Like the nova/super nova. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmCaudata Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Should I take this to mean that the TTI and FFT carriers could in theory reduce reliability of the Benelli platform?One would think that a well designed receiver/chamber would make a jam unlikely. Ive seen reports of people having jams when the gun is on its side. This is most likely manufacturer specific, although I don't know which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 They are originally designed for hunting. Some people wear gloves when they are in a cold wet blind. Wear some gloves and try reloading the shotgun as originally manufactured vs. one with a competition lifter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WS6 Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, Religious Shooter said: They are originally designed for hunting. Some people wear gloves when they are in a cold wet blind. Wear some gloves and try reloading the shotgun as originally manufactured vs. one with a competition lifter. Clue me in, what's the result? Caught glove in the V? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davsco Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 benelli gets a 10% kickback from all the companies that make money from welding up the lifters? just like glock does when folks trash the stock sights and buy aftermarket... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 4 hours ago, WS6 said: Clue me in, what's the result? Caught glove in the V? Have no idea. My M2 has had a welded lifter for probably 10+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunCat Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Related question...http://forums.brianenos.com/index.php?/topic/144292-why-do-we-have-to-weld-up-lifters/#comment-1619886 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon9116 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 My poor thumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 When did 3-Gun become soooo serious??? The cut out, according to the Benelli factory engineers, and boy have I spent time with them, is two fold. First and foremost is so that shell rims, which in NO WAY are standardized in Europe have the extra clearance to feed into the mag tube smoothly. Secondary and far down the list is guiding the shell into the chamber.....think about it!!! If the cut out of the old H&K guns was sufficient to "guide" the shell into the chamber, which it was, why would they make it even more pronounced and grabby on latter models? Benelli never caught on to the fact that if you bend the end of the carrier down at about an 8 degree angle ALL shell rims would clear! Now come on that "fair chase" thing was gold! and "Codified Federal law"??? do you guys think it is easy to come up with this carp??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoakam Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 If the V cut is required, why do pump guns not have them? The 870s I have do not. I suppose the action of the pump is sufficient? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 The Benelli Nova's do have a v notch, maybe it's just an 870 thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdr Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Check out the load port on a 1897 Winchester...easy shotgun to load. I think there must be lawyer proofing in todays designs:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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