hceuterpe Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) I have my stash of HP-38 and have been using it for 9mm, but thinking of a change. It's pretty smokey, and seems rather dirty as my pistols gum up pretty quickly. It also blackens the case pretty bad. It does this with both hot loads and powder puff loads. I also just got a .40 pistol and looking to load major. For 180gr bullets, 38 seems a bit too fast a powder from what I've read.. Any suggestions on powder that works *GREAT* (not just ok, or doable) for handling both? Edited September 18, 2016 by hceuterpe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 N320 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 WST my favorite, loaded to 172 PF is soft and I've never gone below 169 at a chono stage, others have had problems at chrono on hot days e3 possibly my new favorite but only shot a few lbs of it so far ClayDot has to be loaded long but is very soft shooting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtown Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 I really like claydot, however, I have been using Cleanshot lately. I put the 8lbs jug of claydot up till further notice. 180gr coated bullet at 1.180 oal with 4.7 gr cleanshot is soft, clean and a 170ish pf out my sti edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshxdm9 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I like n320 for .40 major and 9mm minor with bayou bullets in both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36873687 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 N320 is the bomb, universal clays is close very close in 40. In 9 minor TG easy to make pf an soft in my option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 ADI AP70 is pretty popular here in Aus for those loads. Not sure what an equivalent is.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kletus Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I use N320 for 9mm minor and .40 major. It is very clean with any of the coated lead bullets and is the best metering powder I've used in my Dillon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelson1each Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I use titegroup for both 9 and 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 n320, red dot, and i'd bet a dollar prima V will work too (i've only used it in 9mm so far). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishsticks Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I use titegroup for both 9 and 40 +1It's a little smokey with coated bullets and shoots hot (long practice sessions can be hard on fiber optic rods). But, it's reasonably priced, meters well and usually available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashDodson Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I run ramshot comp for .40 major but could not get a good .9 minor load with it. Titegroup worked better for 9 minor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelson1each Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 8 hours ago, fishsticks said: +1 It's a little smokey with coated bullets and shoots hot (long practice sessions can be hard on fiber optic rods). But, it's reasonably priced, meters well and usually available. I sure have gone through a lot of fiber rods with no idea why...never thought about it being powder related...but what he said...I seem to have to replace my fiber every 1k...sometimes sooner cuz it flys off...and usually in the middle of a match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DASR4 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 i use wst in my 9mm, works good in 40 also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmz Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 On 9/20/2016 at 9:38 PM, Kletus said: I use N320 for 9mm minor and .40 major. It is very clean with any of the coated lead bullets and is the best metering powder I've used in my Dillon. I agree with this I don't use coated bullets but the jacketed hollow points I use it works flawless and measures great in the Dillon powder measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hceuterpe Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) Had some interesting results with 124gr JHP PDs and HP-38 in a G34. Way higher velocity than Hodgdon's published data (even with the 1.3" ish longer barrel): OAL, roughly 1.13", temperature 73, 4.1gr # Velocity Feet/Lbs Power Factor 7 1027 290 127 6 996 273 123 5 1030 292 127 4 1045 300 129 3 1044 300 129 2 1010 280 125 1 1050 303 130 Number of Shots: 7 Minimum: 996 Maximum: 1050 Spread: 54 Average: 1028 Standard Deviation: 18 Power Factor Average: 127 Power Factor Low: 123 Power Factor High: 130 4.2gr # Velocity Feet/Lbs Power Factor 7 1064 311 131 6 1069 314 132 5 1070 315 132 4 1057 307 131 3 1063 311 131 2 1038 296 128 1 1001 275 124 Number of Shots: 7 Minimum: 1001 Maximum: 1070 Spread: 69 Average: 1051 Standard Deviation: 23 Power Factor Average: 130 Power Factor Low: 124 Power Factor High: 132 4.3gr # Velocity Feet/Lbs Power Factor 7 1066 312 132 6 1087 325 134 5 1084 323 134 4 1063 311 131 3 1081 321 134 2 1064 311 131 1 1054 305 130 Number of Shots: 7 Minimum: 1054 Maximum: 1087 Spread: 33 Average: 1071 Standard Deviation: 12 Power Factor Average: 132 Power Factor Low: 130 Power Factor High: 134 4.4gr # Velocity Feet/Lbs Power Factor 7 1087 325 134 6 1067 313 132 5 1106 336 137 4 1074 317 133 3 1077 319 133 2 1084 323 134 1 1064 311 131 Number of Shots: 7 Minimum: 1064 Maximum: 1106 Spread: 42 Average: 1079 Standard Deviation: 13 Power Factor Average: 133 Power Factor Low: 131 Power Factor High: 137 4.5gr: # Velocity Feet/Lbs Power Factor 7 1092 328 135 6 1111 339 137 5 1123 347 139 4 1125 348 139 3 1135 354 140 2 1093 328 135 1 1119 344 138 Number of Shots: 7 Minimum: 1092 Maximum: 1135 Spread: 43 Average: 1114 Standard Deviation: 15 Power Factor Average: 138 Power Factor Low: 135 Power Factor High: 140 4.6gr: # Velocity Feet/Lbs Power Factor 7 1128 350 139 6 1139 357 141 5 1158 369 143 4 1156 367 143 3 1151 364 142 2 1132 352 140 1 1149 363 142 Number of Shots: 7 Minimum: 1128 Maximum: 1158 Spread: 30 Average: 1144 Standard Deviation: 11 Power Factor Average: 141 Power Factor Low: 139 Power Factor High: 143 4.7gr # Velocity Feet/Lbs Power Factor 7 1137 355 140 6 1146 361 142 5 1182 384 146 4 1151 364 142 3 1170 376 145 2 1161 371 143 1 1157 368 143 Number of Shots: 7 Minimum: 1137 Maximum: 1182 Spread: 45 Average: 1157 Standard Deviation: 14 Power Factor Average: 143 Power Factor Low: 140 Power Factor High: 146 Edited October 7, 2016 by hceuterpe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hceuterpe Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 Interestingly, once I hit 4.3gr, the SD dropped by quite a bit. So that will be my new minor 9mm load. 132PF seems ok to me. My target was 130, but the temperature wasn't exactly chilly by any means. Given the decent results, and higher than expected velocities, gonna give HP-38 another shot to work up some .40 major loads with PD 180gr JHP with my G35. Same OAL of 1.13" Probably load 4.6-5.0 gr, painstakingly one at a time with a Chargemaster 1500 Hopefully this time I won't stripe my ProChrono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Titegroup if I had to only use 1. But I don't, so it is titegroup for 9mm 147's, power pistol for 180 gr 40 major, and Clay Dot for 180 gr 40 minor. Clays or Clay Dot would make me uncomfortable for 9mm or 40 major, although I know some folks use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjones6686 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) 2 years ago when powder was hard to find all I had to use was HP38. I used it in 9mm and 45acp both with great results. I started reloading 40cal with HP38 and 180gr bullets. It worked out great until I was able to find other powders to reload with. Edited October 9, 2016 by bjones6686 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlspeed Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 On 10/7/2016 at 3:07 AM, hceuterpe said: Had some interesting results with 124gr JHP PDs and HP-38 in a G34. Way higher velocity than Hodgdon's published data (even with the 1.3" ish longer barrel): OAL, roughly 1.13", temperature 73, 4.1gr # Velocity Feet/Lbs Power Factor 7 1027 290 127 6 996 273 123 5 1030 292 127 4 1045 300 129 3 1044 300 129 2 1010 280 125 1 1050 303 130 Number of Shots: 7 Minimum: 996 Maximum: 1050 Spread: 54 Average: 1028 Standard Deviation: 18 Power Factor Average: 127 Power Factor Low: 123 Power Factor High: 130 4.2gr # Velocity Feet/Lbs Power Factor 7 1064 311 131 6 1069 314 132 5 1070 315 132 4 1057 307 131 3 1063 311 131 2 1038 296 128 1 1001 275 124 Number of Shots: 7 Minimum: 1001 Maximum: 1070 Spread: 69 Average: 1051 Standard Deviation: 23 Power Factor Average: 130 Power Factor Low: 124 Power Factor High: 132 4.3gr # Velocity Feet/Lbs Power Factor 7 1066 312 132 6 1087 325 134 5 1084 323 134 4 1063 311 131 3 1081 321 134 2 1064 311 131 1 1054 305 130 Number of Shots: 7 Minimum: 1054 Maximum: 1087 Spread: 33 Average: 1071 Standard Deviation: 12 Power Factor Average: 132 Power Factor Low: 130 Power Factor High: 134 4.4gr # Velocity Feet/Lbs Power Factor 7 1087 325 134 6 1067 313 132 5 1106 336 137 4 1074 317 133 3 1077 319 133 2 1084 323 134 1 1064 311 131 Number of Shots: 7 Minimum: 1064 Maximum: 1106 Spread: 42 Average: 1079 Standard Deviation: 13 Power Factor Average: 133 Power Factor Low: 131 Power Factor High: 137 4.5gr: # Velocity Feet/Lbs Power Factor 7 1092 328 135 6 1111 339 137 5 1123 347 139 4 1125 348 139 3 1135 354 140 2 1093 328 135 1 1119 344 138 Number of Shots: 7 Minimum: 1092 Maximum: 1135 Spread: 43 Average: 1114 Standard Deviation: 15 Power Factor Average: 138 Power Factor Low: 135 Power Factor High: 140 4.6gr: # Velocity Feet/Lbs Power Factor 7 1128 350 139 6 1139 357 141 5 1158 369 143 4 1156 367 143 3 1151 364 142 2 1132 352 140 1 1149 363 142 Number of Shots: 7 Minimum: 1128 Maximum: 1158 Spread: 30 Average: 1144 Standard Deviation: 11 Power Factor Average: 141 Power Factor Low: 139 Power Factor High: 143 4.7gr # Velocity Feet/Lbs Power Factor 7 1137 355 140 6 1146 361 142 5 1182 384 146 4 1151 364 142 3 1170 376 145 2 1161 371 143 1 1157 368 143 Number of Shots: 7 Minimum: 1137 Maximum: 1182 Spread: 45 Average: 1157 Standard Deviation: 14 Power Factor Average: 143 Power Factor Low: 140 Power Factor High: 146 This is a great post man, thank you very much. I need to start figuring out what powder I want to get next, I haven't been able to load in almost two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hceuterpe Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 (edited) So, for 9mm minor, HP-38 was acceptable, as I posted.... Unfortunately, my .40 results with HP-38 were pretty awful. Out of a Glock 35, using PD 180gr JHP loaded to 1.13", and using a Chargemaster 1500 to weigh, 4.6-5.0gr (in .1 gr increments), all cases being WIN brass once fire, the velocity was all over the map. I would sometimes get consistency, and then random low velocity flyers. For 5gr of HP-38, the PF ranged from 160-173. , nearly 90fps difference. I don't think HP-38 is going to work for my .40. Ironically the owner suggested VV (ie. N320). So I bought a pound.. Any suggestions on a powder weight range to try to chrono? I noticed N320 is a stick powder. How consistently does it meter in a Dillon measure? 1.13" ran fine in the Glock 35 (albeit the wild velocity swings). Should I stick to it? Edited October 15, 2016 by hceuterpe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxer1 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I too have had good luck loading both of these and 45 ACP with N320. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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