johnbu Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I'm far from an expert (far!), but here's a drill... using your shot timer on a table, RUN 15-30ft and back. Slap the timer to register the stop time. Variations ... run a square pattern moving hard in all four directions. If you have a helper, have them start the timer and RUN to it. Add dry fire, reloads, etc. Oddly enough, I'm in the same boat as you (but production) and have nearly identical shortcomings. (Transitions, movement, plus accuracy is still variable). Adding motion to dry fire, forcing firing on entry and exit, getting the gun up on target sooner, etc has dropped dry fire times. Also made a 40 yd distance on the range to run. 15' to the first shooting position, 15' to the second, then 30yards to the next. That last one needs to go around a corner with one target all the way around. I'm still improving the range, but have been dropping times. I also started doing flat out sprint reloads...which I currently suck at! Lol. On 09/11/2016 at 6:07 PM, Gooldylocks said: Just consciously during a stage tell yourself to RUN. When you are doing live fire practice, video yourself shooting a drill and wat vh how fast you are running. Shoot it again consciously telling yourself to run faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewtac Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 I'd practice sprinting and stopping. Don't need your pistol to so this, if you don't have enough room. Hold a bottle or anything up in position try one hand and two. But starting and stopping as everyone has said should help with your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustychev Posted September 18, 2016 Author Share Posted September 18, 2016 Ill keep working on it over the winter. See how it goes next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 On 9/17/2016 at 2:18 PM, andrewtac said: I'd practice sprinting and stopping. Don't need your pistol to so this, if you don't have enough room. Hold a bottle or anything up in position try one hand and two. But starting and stopping as everyone has said should help with your time. Maybe it's just me, but I have found there is not that much to gain by practicing stuff without a gun. I have been extremely athletic all my life, but trying to do things fast with a gun is totally different mentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alucardus Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Practice movement during dry fire. Draw site picture, reload, move site picture, reload, and repeat. do this moving different directions, move to the left right, move forward if you can move around a corner, move back wards forward, basically any direction you can think of that you'll move in a match. For a long time my dryfire reloads were fast but under the clock they still felt slow and that was because I never dry fired reloads on the move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewtac Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 1 hour ago, motosapiens said: Maybe it's just me, but I have found there is not that much to gain by practicing stuff without a gun. I have been extremely athletic all my life, but trying to do things fast with a gun is totally different mentally. I agree 100% that nothing beats practice like you play. I thought somewhere in the thread the op said it didn't have room to train with getting up to speed. I assumed he was in an apartment or very limited backyard and couldn't train in the open with a firearm. Looking at his video he looks to almost be walking between shooting positions. It looks like he could use some sprint training, getting in out of positions, being explosive. I'd carry something similar in size and weight and treat it like the real thing; if I had no where to practice this with a firearm. I don't think we need to be athletes to run a stage well, as I have seen some big fellas effectively get in and out of shooting positions. There are probably benefits though. If you can run an Ironman, the 100 degree + with rediciulous humidity in the summer will affect you a ton less than someone who can't run more than a block. The powerlifter who can pull 800lbs with a double overhand grip could probably shoot short barrel 44mag and make it look like the way a 22 runs for the rest of us. Neither marathons or powerlifting is going to make or break it for us, but moving in and out of positions quickly and efficiently will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARD72977 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 If you want to be fast practice fast. Make it subconscious before you take it to a club match. If you go to a match thinking speed it won't be pretty. I have got stuck on a drill for 300 Rds just trying to get the hits and shave couple tenths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaTactical Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 On 9/19/2016 at 10:21 AM, motosapiens said: Maybe it's just me, but I have found there is not that much to gain by practicing stuff without a gun. I have been extremely athletic all my life, but trying to do things fast with a gun is totally different mentally. This is an interesting point...I disagree insofar as I have been training footwork without a gun in hand recently - specifically explosive movement, entry/exit, etc., and I've seen a definitive improvement in my speed at matches...BUT agree insofar as when I train these things, I'm mentally working through the process as if I was holding the gun, I even air-gun a target on the wall, hold my hand in the appropriate position to not break the 180, etc. I think what I gained the most value from, was taking the gun away, and looking at how I was entering exiting positions. Analyzing where I was failing, where my feet were stepping wrong into position, where I was being lazy on exits etc, and working to correct it. Getting to a point where I felt fast and explosive with the correct footwork, then putting the gun back in hand and trying to maintain what I was doing without it. Couldn't agree more with the last statement...working on focusing on movement, despite being focused so much on the firearm, is a challenge...one which, when mastered, can immediately elevate your game without your shooting ability changing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustychev Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 Well I have been working on keeping the gun up and moving with a perpos instead of walking and things went much better today still have some work to do but really that is never done. https://youtu.be/mBOv5XgPjr0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaTactical Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 On 10/2/2016 at 8:07 PM, rustychev said: Well I have been working on keeping the gun up and moving with a perpos instead of walking and things went much better today still have some work to do but really that is never done. https://youtu.be/mBOv5XgPjr0 Your movement is absolutely improved from the OP...Looking good! A good indicator is that you're finishing your mag changes right as you're in the next position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustychev Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 On 10/10/2016 at 1:22 AM, GorillaTactical said: Your movement is absolutely improved from the OP...Looking good! A good indicator is that you're finishing your mag changes right as you're in the next position ya now if I could have just hit the star that would have been a great match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARD72977 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 On 10/2/2016 at 8:07 PM, rustychev said: Well I have been working on keeping the gun up and moving with a perpos instead of walking and things went much better today still have some work to do but really that is never done. https://youtu.be/mBOv5XgPjr0 You don't look like the same shooter! On the second stage I would have shot the first array from right to left so I would finish in the direction my next array of targets. Great shooting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistolpete9 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I don't have any help for you, but watching that star brought back some painful/hilarious memories for me. Hopefully you're able to laugh it off and get it right the next time. Those things happen sometimes. Not a horrible match though! Good job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Second video looked a lot better speed wise. What camera and mounting setup are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustychev Posted October 25, 2016 Author Share Posted October 25, 2016 Second video looked a lot better speed wise. What camera and mounting setup are you using?Its a Sony action cam mounted on the side of my muffs.Sent from my C6750 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastluck13 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 In thesecond video, it was an improvement. I think you can be more aggresssive on close targets. start moving before the last shot is fired on the close stuff. Stage planning is another place. shooting across the bay may be slower than jamming in another reload somewhere. it means an extra transition and harder shots. Simplify your plans and do everything as fast as possible....except aiming Try this in practice. Just run, pull the trigger, and reload. How fast can you complete the course with no regard to hits? The purpose here is to look for potential. Do it once for time. Then work on hits in the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancejoshlin Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 No problem. You primarily need to snap your eyes to the next target and drive your gun hard to it and run more aggressively.Yeah, that's one thing in the video that kept popping in my head was that he was riding the sights with his eyes between targets making for mushy transitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captiontom Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 On 10/2/2016 at 6:07 PM, rustychev said: Well I have been working on keeping the gun up and moving with a perpos instead of walking and things went much better today still have some work to do but really that is never done. https://youtu.be/mBOv5XgPjr0 Shoot the star starting at one of the top plates instead of the bottom ones and it won't spin as much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 31 minutes ago, Captiontom said: Shoot the star starting at one of the top plates instead of the bottom ones and it won't spin as much Yep! I sing the song "Head, shoulders , knees and toes "when shooting a star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooting for M Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Have some more confidence in your shooting. Sounds like your hits are decent, call your shots and move on. It seems like you're either trying to score your target before you transition or are trying to get too much of a follow through. The star, well, we've all been there [emoji6].Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustychev Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share Posted January 22, 2017 On 1/20/2017 at 2:57 PM, Sarge said: Yep! I sing the song "Head, shoulders , knees and toes "when shooting a star Ya I try and shoot it top down after I missed the top right plate my brain turned to mush. As soon as I shot the bottomed right one I know what I had done but to late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taco101 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 On 10/12/2016 at 9:26 AM, rustychev said: ya now if I could have just hit the star that would have been a great match You hit the last two plates like chip shots. Those plates on the star were the same. Don't let the movement change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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