ZackJones Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 http://uspsa.org/uspsa-announcements-details.php?Steel-Challenge-New-Classification-System-256 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge40 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Good to know thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photoracer Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Still slightly confused about the math part, Zack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrswanson1 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) Still slightly confused about the math part, Zack. http://www.steelchallenge.com/classificationSystem.php See #8. Although why they stick with percentages instead of simply stating times is beyond me. Edited June 29, 2016 by jrswanson1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted June 29, 2016 Author Share Posted June 29, 2016 Still slightly confused about the math part, Zack. What's not clear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted June 29, 2016 Author Share Posted June 29, 2016 Still slightly confused about the math part, Zack. http://www.steelchallenge.com/classificationSystem.php See #8. Although why they stick with percentages instead of simply stating times is beyond me. Times vary by division and stage so using a percentage is easier to calculate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrispies Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Wow. Thanks for the info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee G Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Looks like none of the peak times for production changed and I'll still have to shave off 1.76 seconds to make master. I was hoping I would roll right into it with the new updates. Making A on the old system shooting production against an Open gun classification was pretty damn hard for me. Guess I suck more than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted June 30, 2016 Author Share Posted June 30, 2016 Looks like none of the peak times for production changed and I'll still have to shave off 1.76 seconds to make master. I was hoping I would roll right into it with the new updates. Making A on the old system shooting production against an Open gun classification was pretty damn hard for me. Guess I suck more than I thought. The production numbers where good based on the review I did. The majority of the work was done to establish the rimfire rifle times as well as CO and PCC times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottlep Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Everybody I shoot SC with that has figured out their new classifications for their pre-existing centerfire times has dropped down a bunch. I was only 1.96 seconds away from Master with combined centerfire times (my S&H is faster with Limited vs Open). Now in Open I am at 79.62%, which means I have to shave almost 8 seconds off my Open time to get that M. Kind of a bummer since I was less than 2 seconds away before. Guess that just means I have alot more work to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted June 30, 2016 Author Share Posted June 30, 2016 I would expect that for some, but not all divisions. Some PST's were lowered based on a review of the stage winning times from the past two WSSC matches. If you or anyone else wants me to look into specifics let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottlep Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Considering that Max and others seem to shave shave a few seconds a year of their time and that the time range hadn't been updated in the previous classification system in a very long time, I assumed the GM range would get harder to achieve with the new system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted June 30, 2016 Author Share Posted June 30, 2016 Considering that Max and others seem to shave shave a few seconds a year of their time and that the time range hadn't been updated in the previous classification system in a very long time, I assumed the GM range would get harder to achieve with the new system. Originally we were looking at using an average of stage winning times for last two WSSC matches for PST. That didn't work so well because of guys like Max, KC, BJ, etc. they are so fast us mere mortals had no chance of making GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louu Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Where will the classification be on the back of the USPSA card too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted June 30, 2016 Author Share Posted June 30, 2016 Where will the classification be on the back of the USPSA card too? Probably but I don't have any idea when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrispies Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Considering that Max and others seem to shave shave a few seconds a year of their time and that the time range hadn't been updated in the previous classification system in a very long time, I assumed the GM range would get harder to achieve with the new system.Originally we were looking at using an average of stage winning times for last two WSSC matches for PST. That didn't work so well because of guys like Max, KC, BJ, etc. they are so fast us mere mortals had no chance of making GM. I would tend to agree with this. I see the reasoning behind using percentages based off the best time ever, but I could also see that creating a situation where a -5% time results in less than 5% of the eligible membership achieving the GM rank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photoracer Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Well as of Monday I will be Master in RFRO, A in PCCO and B in RFPO. I am pretty close to making Master in PCCO also. I was shooting dead in the middle of B for Open but had not shot any sanctioned matches in open since about 2010 when I was in C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjordan78 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 First GM ever in Alaska!!! RFPO! Love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Much as I like my new classifications (well, what will be my new ones, assuming I can do math) I'm thinking that RFPI must be a little generous if I'm going to be a GM right off the bat. :/ M in Production---that makes sense. Overall peak time for Prod seems pretty spot-on, IMO. (From a predominantly Production shooter.) Was surprised that RFRO was only a tiny bit faster than RFPI. Expected a more significant difference there. (Certainly more than 2.5 seconds.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornetx40 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I would think RFRO peak times would be a bit lower, Since most shooters are closer to their RFPO scores with it than their RFPI times. I'm sure with time and more data it will be easier to reset these peak times. Maybe annually? I see that we are using all 8 stages or as many of them as you may have shot for classification now. I didn't notice that at first..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photoracer Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Those 3 days with Max really helped. I busted a 13.83 in OL today with RFRO which is almost 2 full seconds better than my best previous run. All in the foot work. Also went 3.5s faster in RFPO. In fact went faster in 5 out of 8 stages w/RFPO (4 out of 8 in RFRO). The next Peacemaker 8-stage SC match will be fully sanctioned. They met the last requirement from USPSA/SCSA this weekend. Because of major events like the Ironman East 3-Gun the remaining SC events in 2016 are the first Saturday in August, November, and December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photoracer Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 (edited) Ever watched Junior Kolby Pavlock shoot rimfire irons? He beat BJ in the NSSF last year shooting Limited, and had most of the best stage times to boot. As for RFRO the reason the numbers are not as low as RFPO is because the pros don't shoot the rimfire rifle (well BJ does but he does not shoot it in SC) so the best rimfire rifle pros are like Ron Oliver and John Nagel and while they are very good they are not Max, KC, or BJ. Edited July 3, 2016 by photoracer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted July 3, 2016 Author Share Posted July 3, 2016 Good feedback We looked at a lot of data and made adjustments where it seemed necessary. We will review, annually, after WSSC to see if adjustments are needed. The steel challenge web site will be offline for a while today as we make the necessary changes. If anyone has feedback they want me to make sure gets passed up the food chain email it to me at zack@uspsa.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjordan78 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Why did they not use the rimfire times from the world shoot last year? That makes a huge difference in my classification... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted July 4, 2016 Author Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) Why did they not use the rimfire times from the world shoot last year? That makes a huge difference in my classification... They should have. I will check. PM me your USPSA number please. ETA: Found the problem - stage numbers are missing from the results: http://steelchallenge.com/steel-challenge-display-match-results.php?action=event_index&indx=1836 Edited July 4, 2016 by ZackJones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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