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My BAD! This data is for Prima V. I edited the post.

With me getting an extra 40 feet/sec than you for the extra .3gr of Prima V, I'd say our data is quite consistent.

Agreed.

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MORE NUMBERS:

Note that in my last data post, the data was produced shooting with a VP9. This is important because of OAL. My VP9 takes loads about .04 longer than the same bullet in my CZ, so OAL should be considered when looking at the data.

Pistol: CZ-75 ShadowLine
Bullet: SNS 135gr RN
Powder: Vectan Prima V
Primers: S&B
Brass: Mixed Brass
OAL: 1.115
3.1gr Avg fps - 935 fps | SD-9 | ES-21
3.2gr Avg fps - 953 fps | SD-5 | ES-18
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Pistol: CZ-75 ShadowLine
Bullet: ACME 124gr RN
Powder: Vectan Prima V
Primers: S&B
Brass: Mixed Brass
OAL: 1.060
3.4gr Avg fps - 1025 fps | SD-6 | ES-20
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Pistol: CZ-75 ShadowLine
Bullet: Precision Delta 124gr JHP
Powder: Vectan Prima V
Primers: S&B
Brass: Mixed Brass
OAL: 1.085
3.7gr Avg fps - 1033 fps | SD-10 | ES-29
3.8gr Avg fps - 1065 fps | SD-8 | ES-22
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Pistol: CZ-75 ShadowLine
Bullet: Precision Delta .356 124gr RN .38 Super
Powder: Vectan Prima V
Primers: S&B
Brass: Mixed Brass
OAL: 1.160
4.2gr Avg fps - 1071 fps | SD-8 | ES-32
4.3gr Avg fps - 1081 fps | SD-6 | ES-20
4.4gr Avg fps - 1110 fps | SD-10| ES-37
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On July 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, IDescribe said:

MORE NUMBERS:

Note that in my last data post, the data was produced shooting with a VP9. This is important because of OAL. My VP9 takes loads about .04 longer than the same bullet in my CZ, so OAL should be considered when looking at the data.

Pistol: CZ-75 ShadowLine
Bullet: SNS 135gr RN
Powder: Vectan Prima V
Primers: S&B
Brass: Mixed Brass
OAL: 1.115
 
3.1gr Avg fps - 935 fps | SD-9 | ES-21
3.2gr Avg fps - 953 fps | SD-5 | ES-18
 
___________________________________
 
Pistol: CZ-75 ShadowLine
Bullet: ACME 124gr RN
Powder: Vectan Prima V
Primers: S&B
Brass: Mixed Brass
OAL: 1.060
 
3.4gr Avg fps - 1025 fps | SD-6 | ES-20
___________________________________
 
Pistol: CZ-75 ShadowLine
Bullet: Precision Delta 124gr JHP
Powder: Vectan Prima V
Primers: S&B
Brass: Mixed Brass
OAL: 1.085
 
3.7gr Avg fps - 1033 fps | SD-10 | ES-29
3.8gr Avg fps - 1065 fps | SD-8 | ES-22
 
___________________________________
 
Pistol: CZ-75 ShadowLine
Bullet: Precision Delta .356 124gr RN .38 Super
Powder: Vectan Prima V
Primers: S&B
Brass: Mixed Brass
OAL: 1.160
 
4.2gr Avg fps - 1071 fps | SD-8 | ES-32
4.3gr Avg fps - 1081 fps | SD-6 | ES-20
4.4gr Avg fps - 1110 fps | SD-10| ES-37
 
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How are you getting 4.4 gr into a 9mm?  I just loaded my first three test loads @ 3.2, 3.5 & 3.8.  The 3.8 looked awfully full.  I only loaded ten each to get an idea for function before I start tweaking for pf and accuracy.

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The 9mm case I just checked holds 6.7gr of Prima V filled all the way to the case mouth.  4.4gr rose to ~.210 below the case mouth.  The seating depth of that .356 PD RN at OAL 1.160 is .193, so at that OAL with that bullet at that charge weight, I could seat about .015 deeper, down to 1.145, before some people would start calling it compressed.

That said, it's already going as fast as I want at 4.2gr.  I don't see any reason to load higher than that.

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Thanks Idescribe.. I was just surprised to see the volume taken up compared to what I had been used to using Titegroup...

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On 6/24/2016 at 11:36 PM, d_striker said:

I had a gun a long time ago that had a large firing pin hole on the breech face. I don't even remember which one as it was over 12 years ago and I don't have it anymore. It would make primers look cratered around the pin strike.

Not saying that's what's going on with your situation though. Especially if it doesn't do it with other ammo.

Not reloading related But is the front trigger guard screw missing on your STI?

Tried getting Photo with the quote button and it didn't work ( photo near top of thread)

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Prima V 3.5 gr, Xtreme 124's 1010-1045 fps about 128 pf, soft shooting, accurate, cooler and less smoke than similar TG load.

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On September 1, 2016 at 5:50 PM, jcc7x7 said:

Not reloading related But is the front trigger guard screw missing on your STI?

Tried getting Photo with the quote button and it didn't work ( photo near top of thread)

Good eye. Yes, at the time my screws were missing. Lost them during a sanctioned match. Didn't seem to effect anything enough to effect my performance but they have since been replaced. 

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Just started using Prima V. I like it so far. Burns cooler than Titegroup and cleaner than WST for 9mm minor. My initial chrono showed the Prima V took .1 grain less than Titegroup for the same power factor with 147's. 

it is a high volume power for sure. No way to double charge.

Will post more technical data at a later date. 

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3 hours ago, BASE772 said:

Just started using Prima V. I like it so far. Burns cooler than Titegroup and cleaner than WST for 9mm minor. My initial chrono showed the Prima V took .1 grain less than Titegroup for the same power factor with 147's. 

it is a high volume power for sure. No way to double charge.

Will post more technical data at a later date. 

I noticed the exact same thing.

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3.4 gr Prima V under a 147 xtreme @ 1.135 average 891 fps out of a P226 with 4.9" threaded barrel. Very nice recoil impulse. Not as snappy as Titegroup but not mushy either. Reminds me of a .45 recoil. 

When im finished loading the xtreme's I'll load up some SNS 147 FP's.

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Just throwing out data points.  

 

I loaded up some rounds to test with the Acme 124 RN's.  Loaded to 1.055 shot at an indoor range, mixed brass, and 3.5 grains.  Out of my practice Shadow with a high round count I was getting 985.  With my match Shadow I was getting 1004-1011 FPS.  ES was like 9 out of my match gun over 5 rounds - not a huge sample - but promising. I was surprised to not be closer to iDescribe's data.  I'm probably going to goose it up .2 grains and try again.  Chrono'd with a MagnetoSpeed V3, so basically at the muzzle, these likely wouldn't make PF with a typical 10' chrono.   I was so surprised to see my shorter cartridges go slower so i saved a round to pull and re-weigh the charge.  I'll update this thread with my findings.

 

I got brave and loaded up 100 rounds to test fire at that load. The powder burned pretty clean, very little carbon/soot left in the case.  Recoil impulse is very nice.  Accuracy seemed fine, though I'm no great group shooter.  The load was less smoky than WSF and Titegroup.  Overall really digging this powder.

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This does not meter well in my 650.. Read somewhere it took more than 20 throws. The powder has inconsistent size, I get fine granules in some throws and larger ones the next. Maybe I should agitate the powder hopper to settle them powder. 

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DOODS, when you say some throws get fine granules and some get larger ones, are you actually pouring out cases onto a flat surface and spreading it around to check that?  Or are you just looking at the top of the powder in the case?

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8 hours ago, IDescribe said:

DOODS, when you say some throws get fine granules and some get larger ones, are you actually pouring out cases onto a flat surface and spreading it around to check that?  Or are you just looking at the top of the powder in the case?  

Same observation here

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Meters with boring regularity on my 650. ed838676e2f72d4c37bf1d2d1376217c.jpg


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Mine have not shown to be that consistent.  I am using a Lee disc powder dropper. I do like the Prima V for its economy.  

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I also see the finer granulars in my Dillion powder measure but my loads chrono very consistent. 

I've shot just at 1000 rounds with this powder and I must say it's the cleanest burning powder I've ever used. Especially for 9mm minor. 

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I also see the finer granulars in my Dillion powder measure but my loads chrono very consistent. 

I've shot just st 1000 rounds with this powder and I must say it's the cleanest burning powder I've ever used. Especially for 9mm minor. 


I am amazed how clean it shoots. It's like the perfect powder for coated lead in 9mm minor


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55 minutes ago, ArrDave said:


I am amazed how clean it shoots. It's like the perfect powder for coated lead in 9mm minor


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I agree.

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I meant to share my load data

 

COAL:1.055

Projectile: Acme 124 CLRN

Charge: 3.7 grains Prima V

Primer - Winchester Small Pistol

Brass - Mixed

Chrono - MagnetoSpeed V3 - velocities taken at the muzzle.  

Average Velocity 1049 - Low 1043 - high 1065 - SD 5.4 ES 22 

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2 hours ago, ArrDave said:

I meant to share my load data

 

COAL:1.055

Projectile: Acme 124 CLRN

Charge: 3.7 grains Prima V

Primer - Winchester Small Pistol

Brass - Mixed

Chrono - MagnetoSpeed V3 - velocities taken at the muzzle.  

Average Velocity 1049 - Low 1043 - high 1065 - SD 5.4 ES 22 

What gun? I load some 3.7-3.8 @1.13 with Xtreme 124gr RN and it was soft and very accurate and clean.

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What gun? I load some 3.7-3.8 @1.13 with Xtreme 124gr RN and it was soft and very accurate and clean.


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Results from this weekend. Two different guns, two different bullets, two (fairly close) lengths, two different primers... exact same powder charge.

 

(This ammo was loaded with the faster original batch of Prima V, lot # PB15110)

 

M&P 4" fullsize

90* Farenheit

125gr TC - Black Bullets International

1.135" OAL

CCI #550 magnum primer

3.85gr Prima V

Average: 1054.7 fps

Power factor: 131.9

Extreme Spread: 76 fps

Standard Deviation: 8.3

 

4.75" Tanfoglio Stock III

90* Fahrenheit

124gr Acme RN

1.130" OAL

Sellier & Bellot primer

3.85gr Prima V

Average: 1059 fps

Power factor: 131.3

Extreme Spread: 92 fps

Standard Deviation: 9.6

 

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