Quack Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Anyone looking for one, Oakhill has 3 in stock right now. http://oakhillguns.com/cz-75-sp-01-shadow-orange-9mm.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R34PER Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 czcustom.com's website also has them on sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 There are so many CZ models out there. Is this "better" than the stnd shadow? Assuming this would be production/SSP legal? I guess for SSP you'd have to manually decock it. I've been wanting a shadow for a while now. I've read the description for the orange but it just says its basically got a fit barrel. How's the trigger? Can it be worked? Any reason to buy another model? Sorry for all the questions. Any input is greatly appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 There are so many CZ models out there. Is this "better" than the stnd shadow? Assuming this would be production/SSP legal? I guess for SSP you'd have to manually decock it. I've been wanting a shadow for a while now. I've read the description for the orange but it just says its basically got a fit barrel. How's the trigger? Can it be worked? Any reason to buy another model? Sorry for all the questions. Any input is greatly appreciated! The trigger "should" be improved as it comes with a comp hammer it appears. The buffer is not in the base shadow The rear sight is different. The barrel to bushing fit should increase accuracy (whether that's accu territory I won't say) orange aluminum grips and base pads vs. rubber. A Shadow Custom is a little bit cheaper and is missing the base pads ($60-100 depending on springers vs. Shock bottle) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmBeach1 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I keep looking at it, but have decided to wait for the Shadow 2 to arrive later this year or early next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quack Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 I keep looking at it, but have decided to wait for the Shadow 2 to arrive later this year or early next year.Same here, waiting for the S2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 The Shadow Orange is a nicely done Shadow. slide to frame fit is exceptional. It could benefit from some lighter springs and a short reset disconnctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 It's IPSC legal where the shadow custom is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 It's IPSC legal where the shadow custom is not. Actually Shadow Custom is, ACCU and Target are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRanta Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 It's IPSC legal where the shadow custom is not. Actually Shadow Custom is, ACCU and Target are not. Shadow Custom is not on IPSC Production Division List, so it is not approved. CZ Custom Shop models are especially not approved . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 It's IPSC legal where the shadow custom is not. Actually Shadow Custom is, ACCU and Target are not. Shadow Custom is not on IPSC Production Division List, so it is not approved. CZ Custom Shop models are especially not approved . SP01 Shadow is, if you look at the work done, it is all legal under IPSC rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRanta Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 You can use parts from listed guns, but also the name of your creation must be on the list. CZ 75 Shadow and CZ 75 Shadow Custom are not listed. I think you should ask Vince Pinto's opinion at Global Village to make it officially approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 You can use parts from listed guns, but also the name of your creation must be on the list. CZ 75 Shadow and CZ 75 Shadow Custom are not listed. I think you should ask Vince Pinto's opinion at Global Village to make it officially approved. Not an IPSC guy but the name is Shadow, and it's been slicked up with OEM parts. The shadow Custom isn't a CZ SKU at present, so how is it any different than a shadow sent to CZC to have the action worked over? I would argue it isn't, as it's not a factory configuration of the pistol. I am not an IPSC guy, but I wanted to be sure my pistol was ready to go if I decided to be and I believe it is Sent from an iDevice. Please forgive any grammatical or spelling errors. If the post doesn't make sense or is not amusing then it is technology's fault and most certainly not operator error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRanta Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 The names need to match pretty exactly. CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow is approved, but CZ 75 Shadow is not. They are different guns. It took same time to get CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow Orange listed and it is the same gun with the same text on slide as CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Orange is a different factory configuration hence different weight leaving the factory. I believe that's why Sent from an iDevice. Please forgive any grammatical or spelling errors. If the post doesn't make sense or is not amusing then it is technology's fault and most certainly not operator error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRanta Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 IPSC doesn't show weights on the production list. CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow 2012 was approved in 2012, but when CZ UB renamed it in 2013 to CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow Orange it wasn't anymore. It took some time and mails to get it's name changed also on the list. Because neither "2012" nor "Orange" was stamped on the slide, all this was based only on marketing material. In this case Mr. Pinto said: A very simple rule: if a particular model is not specifically listed as Approved on the list, it's not approved. If CZUB treat the subject gun as a separate model, it must be approved separately USPSA might be more flexible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extremist Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I'm not sure what all this "legality" discussion is about CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow "Orange". Clearly, the markings on the slide are "CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow 9x19". https://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-NROI-production-gunlist.phpclearly shows "CZ75 SP-01 Shadow 9mm 4.72" (42 oz.)" on the list under CZ http://www.ipsc.org/rules/proddiv.phpclearly shows " CZ75 SP-01 Shadow,, CZ75 SP-01 Shadow Orange" So what was the concern again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 IPSC doesn't show weights on the production list. CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow 2012 was approved in 2012, but when CZ UB renamed it in 2013 to CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow Orange it wasn't anymore. It took some time and mails to get it's name changed also on the list. Because neither "2012" nor "Orange" was stamped on the slide, all this was based only on marketing material. In this case Mr. Pinto said: A very simple rule: if a particular model is not specifically listed as Approved on the list, it's not approved. If CZUB treat the subject gun as a separate model, it must be approved separately USPSA might be more flexible. Right but the Shadow Custom doesn't show up on the CZUB website, or the CZUSA site, which makes it a product sold by CZC that's a slicked up shadow, does it not? So takes us back to modifying an approved gun with CZUB parts, which makes it legal, right? http://www.czub.cz/en/produkty/pistole.html http://cz-usa.com/product-category/handguns/75-85-series/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRanta Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 If the name of the gun is not on the list, it is not approved. CZ Custom shop variants are especially not approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 If the name of the gun is not on the list, it is not approved. CZ Custom shop variants are especially not approved. What we're talking about is really nuanced to the point where I believe it's probably unenforceable. All of the mods discussed on the Shadow Custom are legal per IPSC, it's not a SKU for CZUB, or CZUSA. The models they forbid have physical modification to the slide or frame that is a departure from the CZUB factory production model. The Shadow Custom is identical, it just has tuned action. If I take a legal IPSC legal gun, and send it to a gun smith for an action job using OEM parts that are legal, the result is a legal IPSC gun. That's all the Shadow Custom is. It'd be impossible for someone to prove or disprove that their gun is legal/illegal outside of the parts that are visible being OEM. The test target in the box will still be for a 91154, the label on the box will still be for 91154, the difference is Angus and his crew have breathed on it. It's pretty much impossible to prove either way, at an equipment check I can't imagine it'd even come up. You'd know better than I in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRanta Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 It is not only the Custom model missing from the list. Also the CZ 75 Shadow is missing. You can use a CZ 75 frame and a CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow slide to make a similar gun. It would have "CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow" stamped on the slide, so this would be its name. This name is on the list, so that part is ok. Unfortunately CZ 75 frames are not available as OFM standard equipment or option. The IPSC production division rule D4 16. would not be met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bthoefer Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 If the name of the gun is not on the list, it is not approved. CZ Custom shop variants are especially not approved.What we're talking about is really nuanced to the point where I believe it's probably unenforceable. All of the mods discussed on the Shadow Custom are legal per IPSC, it's not a SKU for CZUB, or CZUSA. The models they forbid have physical modification to the slide or frame that is a departure from the CZUB factory production model. The Shadow Custom is identical, it just has tuned action. If I take a legal IPSC legal gun, and send it to a gun smith for an action job using OEM parts that are legal, the result is a legal IPSC gun. That's all the Shadow Custom is. It'd be impossible for someone to prove or disprove that their gun is legal/illegal outside of the parts that are visible being OEM. The test target in the box will still be for a 91154, the label on the box will still be for 91154, the difference is Angus and his crew have breathed on it. It's pretty much impossible to prove either way, at an equipment check I can't imagine it'd even come up. You'd know better than I in that regard. I'm not 100% on IPSC rules, but isn't polishing parts (other than to fit them) technically against the rules? Wouldn't the trigger job CZC does be illegal because of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRanta Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Yes and yes in IPSC production division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMaus Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) I think you are going off on a tangent. I do shoot IPSC and this issue has come up before. What is the model name on the factory warranty certificate ? Are all the parts fitted CZ OEM parts ? Fitting is fine, polishing is not allowed. No issue. Edited June 24, 2016 by BMaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRanta Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 CZC says for CZ 75 Shadow Custom "Re profile and Polish Disconnector and associated surfaces." Polishing is no-no in production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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