B_RAD Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) I just started reloading again. It's been about 5 yrs. In the last two weeks I've loaded up about 500 rnds of 9mm. My load is Berrys 147 gr 3.9 grn WSF Fed primers 1.150" OAL .375" crimp Mixed head stamped All have fired 100%. It seems like in that time the amount of nato brass has went up like crazy. I know I'm seeing it more on the shelves at the gun stores. Tonight while loading up 200 rnds on my 550 I had around a dozen nato and another 10 or so (blazer and speer)that wouldn't seat. Would the swagging station on the 1050 have solved this problem? I know the cost of the 1050 is significantly more than a few pieces of brass. However, I want to reload with ease. I guess I could not buy once fired mixed brass. But that's part of reloading semi auto. No way I could pick up all my brass. Edited May 19, 2016 by B_RAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rancher5 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Like to hear a reply from some Blue veterans. Been running Load master for pistol, getting where I'm just trying to keep up enough ammo, with rifle season in full swing, pistol steel ect, plus life , I need a lot greater volume output Sent from my SM-T350 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnr88 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 The good news is you can always get almost full value for your 650. Threads on swagging seem to suggest that the 1050 will not solve all problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mitch Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I'm having the same issue with 40 lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJacot Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 When I come across a crimped brass (90%+ 9mm) I can get nearly all of them to seat. Out of 500 round loading session (I only have 5SP primer tubes) I only have 1 maybe 2 that I cannot get to seat by feel. Once you use it more you should be able to feel it and finess it in. On occasion I need to spin the brass a 1/4 to 1/2 a turn and press again. Once or twice and it's seated. At least this is my experience. Be patient and Good Luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 When I come across a crimped brass (90%+ 9mm) I can get nearly all of them to seat. Out of 500 round loading session (I only have 5SP primer tubes) I only have 1 maybe 2 that I cannot get to seat by feel. Once you use it more you should be able to feel it and finess it in. On occasion I need to spin the brass a 1/4 to 1/2 a turn and press again. Once or twice and it's seated. At least this is my experience. Be patient and Good Luck! Thanks for the advice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennJeep1618 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 When I come across a crimped brass (90%+ 9mm) I can get nearly all of them to seat. Out of 500 round loading session (I only have 5SP primer tubes) I only have 1 maybe 2 that I cannot get to seat by feel. Once you use it more you should be able to feel it and finess it in. On occasion I need to spin the brass a 1/4 to 1/2 a turn and press again. Once or twice and it's seated. At least this is my experience. Be patient and Good Luck! I did basically this same thing when I had my 650. After a while, though, it was easier to just pull the brass when I got resistance and keep going. I will say that the 1050 is worth the cost. I thought the 650 was easy until I got the 1050. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJacot Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 When I come across a crimped brass (90%+ 9mm) I can get nearly all of them to seat. Out of 500 round loading session (I only have 5SP primer tubes) I only have 1 maybe 2 that I cannot get to seat by feel. Once you use it more you should be able to feel it and finess it in. On occasion I need to spin the brass a 1/4 to 1/2 a turn and press again. Once or twice and it's seated. At least this is my experience. Be patient and Good Luck! I did basically this same thing when I had my 650. After a while, though, it was easier to just pull the brass when I got resistance and keep going. I will say that the 1050 is worth the cost. I thought the 650 was easy until I got the 1050. Of that 500 round session I might toss one maybe two into the scrap bucket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safeactionjackson Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 The s1050 eat NATO brass without issue. I purchased an s1050 to handle 9mm/.223 because of the on press swags, I've sine added another for .45/.308. 650 is used mainly for reloading non-crimped brass calibers and or reloading brass that has already been processed on a s1050. Only you can determine if it's worth upgrading to/for. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Can you source "same headstamp" brass? Might cost a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 Can you source "same headstamp" brass? Might cost a bit more. Not sure I could. That is without buying new. I'd pay a little more if I could find some that was the same once fired brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longhill Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 For higher volume a 1050 is the way to go especially if you're working with range pick up brass. Sorting out the crimped brass and deswaging them before you start reloading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havfun Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 i just upgraded from a 650 to a 1050. i like the swaging option especially when you buy once fired brass. if you can afford it i would suggest cancelling the 650 and upgrading. but keep in mind caliber changes are much more expensive on the super 1050. i love mine so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havfun Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) changed Edited May 19, 2016 by havfun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayUSPSA81 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I would pick up a 650, They seem to run better with less hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 two weeks I've loaded 500 rnds of 9mm. Tonight while loading up 200 rnds on my 550 I had around a dozen nato and another 10 or so (blazer and speer)that wouldn't seat. I know the cost of the 1050 is significantly more However, I want to reload with ease. I guess I could not buy once fired mixed brass. Loading 500 rounds of one caliber every two weeks, I don't see a problem here at all. I load 500 rounds on my SDB, visually checking each piece of brass and discarding "off headstamps" that I know will give me a hard time to seat a new primer. There is no way that I would spend $2000 to load 500 rounds/week. BUT, you've offered two possible "solutions" to your "problem" .... 1. buy new brass - LOTS CHEAPER than a 1050. If you spend fifteen cents/brass case, and shoot it 4 times in practice and then shoot it a fifth time in a lost case match, it cost you three cents per round. 2. buy a 1050 - you say you are seriously considering this option - sounds like OVERKILL to me, but hey, if you can save sorting 22 pieces of "bad brass" each reloading session, and you've got the dough - GO FOR IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofe954 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I have one of these beside my press: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/501588/hornady-primer-pocket-reamer-tool-small Mine has a wooden handle and was cheaper. When I feel resistance to priming,I pull the case, hit the pocket with the tool and it's fixed. I don't hit them that often. I have a 650 and think about a 1050 now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rancher5 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Can you source "same headstamp" brass? Might cost a bit more.Not sure I could. That is without buying new. I'd pay a little more if I could find some that was the same once fired brand. Sorting headstamp is a huge pain, I'm never. Going to do it, will 1050 still work for me,one thing my Load master, yes it's a pain , doesn't need sorted brass to runSent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 Well, the plan is to keep the 650. I'll just deal with the small amounts of difficult brass. Eventually, I may end up with a 1050 for 9mm only. Then just use the 650 for 45,44,10mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted May 25, 2016 Author Share Posted May 25, 2016 Got the 650 today. Ordered it last Wednesday, got it today! Of course! This is my second press from benos! Got as is should be, case feeder and stuff for 45, 9mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelindsey Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 I chose the 650 3 years ago as my first real order. Had no experiance but went with my gut. I don't push out thousands of rounds a month but I do small batches of 5-6 caliber changes. After the first month I bought caliber change and dies for each caliber and it's super easy. I'll only load 223 for rifle, all the rest are handgun. Good luck with your new toy hope you like it as much as all of us other 650 users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrmblr Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 If you decide to sell your 650, my ancient SDB is in desperate need of a refurb. I want to upgrade, so I'm willing to make an offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 The one thing I really don't like about the 1050 is the warranty. I've gotten so used to the lifetime warranty on the other presses that I would be pissed to break parts and have to pay for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handloader109 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I've had my second hand (first hand never loaded a round) 650for close to two years. I had a range that I could take what brass was there and I did, also got about 3000 from this PO. A decent amount was military crimped. Way to easy to pull that case when it is a bit hard to prime. And I don't toss, I pull out the box cutter and take out that crimp and toss back into the feeder. Simple zero cost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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