carlosa Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I was really excited to try this powder... I know 3 people using it with excellent results. Unfortunately I'm not one of them I have 20lbs of this stuff not sure what to do with it... Ideally I like to get it to work, at least for practice... Being that I'm loosing velocity when pushing passed 4.4 I'm wondering if maybe i need to drop the charge instead of increasing it? Maybe I'm at some strange place in the pressure curve? I didn't see any signs of over pressure on the cases it... Coal 1.175 Winchester small magnum pistol primers 180gr BBI 4.4 Hi 928 Lo 873 Avg 900 Sp 55 Sd 19 4.5 Hi 895 Lo 838 Avg 862 Sp 57 Sd 19 4.6 Hi 914 Lo 859 Avg 894 Sp 55 Sd 16 4.7 Hi 913 Lo 844 Avg 880 Sp 69 Sd 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FortyOverUnder Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 I'm at 4.6gr @ 1.180 out of a STI Edge for major PF. I haven't tried magnum primers though. Is this for competition or static stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenverDave Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) If you have a 9mm you want to run.....147gr projectile with 3.1 gr on Competition is fantastic. ( and make minor with 10% to spare)I have not tried to load any for a .40 with Competition but ZIP has worked well. Edited April 15, 2016 by DenverDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosa Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 I'm at 4.6gr @ 1.180 out of a STI Edge for major PF. I haven't tried magnum primers though. Is this for competition or static stuff? Yeah for sure Uspsa...I was told 4.6/4.7 would be the number... I hesitate to think it's the magnum primers as I've been using them for years and they usually only add like 50fps... I do have some small pistol primers so i might roll a small batch at 4.6 and 4.7 to see where it's at... It's just really odd that my velocity actually went down the more powder I put in it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthshine402 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Maybe you mixed up which rounds were which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosa Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 Maybe you mixed up which rounds were which.Not possible... They were put in baggies and labeled as they came of the press...I think I have a bad lot, or the magnum primers are running a mock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilBunniFuFu Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 I use 4.9 of the stuff loaded at 1.180 fir a PF of 170-175 depending on the chrono. Try bumping it up a little more and see if they get a little more consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJGary Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) I ran 3.7gr 200gr bbi 1.155 oal ts40 over my chrono and was at 176pf. Working up 3.6 and 3.5 to see what happens over the chrono. My main load is wst 4.0gr to make major. Edited April 15, 2016 by GJGary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosa Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 I ran 3.7gr 200gr bbi 1.155 oal ts40 over my chrono and was at 176pf. Working up 3.6 and 3.5 to see what happens over the chrono. My main load is wst 4.0gr to make major. Yeah I think this batch is way hotter than I anticipated... Tomorrow I'm running 4.0 to 4.7 just to try and get a better idea of what the pressure curve is doing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosa Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 I use 4.9 of the stuff loaded at 1.180 fir a PF of 170-175 depending on the chrono. Try bumping it up a little more and see if they get a little more consistent.I've loaded 4.0 to 4.7 just to get a better idea of the pressure curve...If it all goes well I will try 4.8 and 4.9... I'm also going to do some 4.6 and 4.7 with small primers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 4.6 grains with 180 bbis gave me 182 Pf in my Benny long slide. 4.3 grains at about 171 PF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosa Posted April 16, 2016 Author Share Posted April 16, 2016 4.6 grains with 180 bbis gave me 182 Pf in my Benny long slide. 4.3 grains at about 171 PF Thanks man, I'm hoping it's the magnum primers messing stuff up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustychev Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 180 blue bullet 4.0 gets me 171PF out of my glock 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworks Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 I go along with the 180 blue bullet. 170 pf with 4.2 grains 5" STI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishsticks Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Following this thread as I have 4# to try. Was considering 4.5 gr with 180 gr Bayou at 1.2" out of a 5" 2011. Based on the info here that should be in the ball park for major. For those that haven't, can you share the COAL as well? I can make some educated guesses based on pistol if given, but load info is much more useful when you have the COAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 1.190 oal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssanders224 Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 4.9gn under a Precision Delta 180 JHP at 1.175 gives me 170pf out of a 5" Schuemann. All of it that I've bought has been consistent and predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosa Posted April 16, 2016 Author Share Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) Ok had a better second day of chrono.. The major changes were new battery on the chrono, cloudy day... And the chrono and ammo were not as hot from being under direct Texas sun light... 4.7 seems to be it for me... Coal 1.175 Small magnum pistol primers Federal brass 180 bbi bullets 5 inch schuemann ulti match barrel Ramshot comp 4.0 Hi 886 Lo 836 Avg 859 Sp 50 Sd 17 4.1 Hi 900 Lo 866 AV 877 Sp 34 Sd 10 4.2 Hi 907 Lo 858 AV 885 Sp 49 Sd 16 4.3 Hi 923 Lo 883 Avg 904 Sp 40 Sd 12 4.5 Hi 937 Lo 900 Avg 923 Sp 37 Sd 10 4.7 Hi 970 Lo 921 Avg 945 Sp 49 Sd 14 Edited April 16, 2016 by carlosa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosa Posted April 16, 2016 Author Share Posted April 16, 2016 For you guys shooting RSC regularly... Are you noticing any velocity drops on hot days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosa Posted April 16, 2016 Author Share Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) dup Edited April 16, 2016 by carlosa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworks Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Sorry, 4.2 gr RSC 180 gr blue bullet, 1.18 OAL. And yes the pf goes down as the temp goes up. Made 170 pf at 40 F had to add .2 gr to make 170 pf at 65 F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishsticks Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Thanks for the info folks. Now I've got somewhere to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlrock Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 If you have a 9mm you want to run.....147gr projectile with 3.1 gr on Competition is fantastic. ( and make minor with 10% to spare) I have not tried to load any for a .40 with Competition but ZIP has worked well. Dave, What is your OAL for the 147gn 9mm? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionaryMike Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Any update on this combo or 180 coated lead and RSC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosa Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 3 hours ago, MissionaryMike said: Any update on this combo or 180 coated lead and RSC? 4.7 made 171 pf for me... i use magnum primers, but standard primers seem to shoot hotter, and more consistent. This powder is a bit sensitive to OAL so make sure your dies are tight. my oal is 1.175 to 1.18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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