Reshoot Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 I'm just glad to see a slide mounted optic is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) Why? Edited January 30, 2016 by Onepocket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midvalleyshooter Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 So, will a revolver now be able to compete as long as it meets the weight restriction? Skip CO and single stack.....The only two divisions where folks are afraid of competition from a revolver. It must be the blazing fast reload they're afraid of. Side bets, loser carries the range bags, buys dinner or liquid refreshment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 I'm just glad to see a slide mounted optic is required. Why? Afraid of getting beat by a Production gun? I think what we really need is to ban Limited guns from Open... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) I'm just glad to see a slide mounted optic is required. Finished building my Carry Optics gun this morning. A new product I'm bringing to market. The Ultra-lite Super Gamer carry optics sight. Ultra light weight. Easy to adjust. No batteries to go dead. No dot failure. At only $75 it's dirt cheap compared to other slide mounted optics. Get yours now! (before they change the rules) Edited January 31, 2016 by cas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilkMyDuds Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I wonder if the rule will require the optic to stay on the gun for the whole stage in order to be legit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 You guys are gonna force them to have an optics approved list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilBunniFuFu Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 So, will a revolver now be able to compete as long as it meets the weight restriction? Skip From APP. D7 Special conditions: — Semi-Auto pistols only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I don't understand why people want to shoot CO without an optic. If it were a 15 round division, I could see wanting to shoot irons with your Production rig. What am I missing here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wav3rhythm Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Production purists want to beat people without using an optic. My division has more talent than your division... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Production purists want to beat people without using an optic. My division has more talent than your division... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk If your club uploads results to Practiscore you can just look at the combined results. One does not need to actually sign up to shoot CO to beat someone shooting it. That's what I typically do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve H Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 (edited) The name should now be changed to Competition Optics! Because continuing to call it "carry optics" is like calling a liberal democrat a progressive. The division had potential, now it's a joke! Edited February 1, 2016 by Steve H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 (edited) It had potential to be a joke, now it is a joke? It's our version of modified, nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of shooters with failing eyes who want to shoot them and that's great. Why did we need to pander to a few manufacturers with the weight limit and pretend this was "carry" oriented. How about MORE sub divisions! Lightweight CO and Heavyweight CO! Edited February 1, 2016 by cas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strick Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I don't understand why people want to shoot CO without an optic. If it were a 15 round division, I could see wanting to shoot irons with your Production rig. What am I missing here? I would say that it has more to do with some people not wanting to have to buy 2 new guns, mill 2 new slides, and buy 2 optics to have a backup gun if needed. Or if there optic breaks mid match and they have only one gun and now can only use iron sights they are now shooting open. That is just a guess though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 And we should let revolvers shoot CO. 1. Who's it hurting? I thought we were following Production rules? I guess not. 2. We ruined revolver to appease the vocal minority, in part under the guise of bringing shooters in from ICORE. Well here's another place for ICORE shooters to join us. Unscrew the comp from your Open gun, put on the cap and shoot CO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Yes, I'd vote for revolvers with optics to be included. Who would it hurt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSwift Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 The "optic" piece of plastic is genius. I hope someone with a Production rig running a piece of saran wrap twisted around the rear sight wins the div. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 The "optic" piece of plastic is genius. I hope someone with a Production rig running a piece of saran wrap twisted around the rear sight wins the div.Funny yes, but never gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I don't understand why people want to shoot CO without an optic. If it were a 15 round division, I could see wanting to shoot irons with your Production rig. What am I missing here? I would say that it has more to do with some people not wanting to have to buy 2 new guns, mill 2 new slides, and buy 2 optics to have a backup gun if needed. That's what I'm not understanding. Why not just shoot those guns in Production if there is no intent to add an optic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadShot Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Thanks LilBunni, That pretty much answers that question. I was hoping that they would allow them in. Since a lot of the revolver shooters are getting up in years, it seemed like a natural place to allow them in. Skip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2011BLDR Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 (edited) Moved... Edited February 1, 2016 by 2011BLDR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I don't understand why people want to shoot CO without an optic. If it were a 15 round division, I could see wanting to shoot irons with your Production rig. What am I missing here? I would say that it has more to do with some people not wanting to have to buy 2 new guns, mill 2 new slides, and buy 2 optics to have a backup gun if needed. That's what I'm not understanding. Why not just shoot those guns in Production if there is no intent to add an optic? The issue is having a backup gun for major matches. I'm not going to spend all that time and money traveling to a major match just to have my gun break on the first stage and I'm there without a backup gun. Previously I could have used my production gun as a backup to my CO gun, but now I can't. I've been enjoying shooting CO, but not enough to buy two CO guns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I don't understand why people want to shoot CO without an optic. If it were a 15 round division, I could see wanting to shoot irons with your Production rig. What am I missing here? I would say that it has more to do with some people not wanting to have to buy 2 new guns, mill 2 new slides, and buy 2 optics to have a backup gun if needed. That's what I'm not understanding. Why not just shoot those guns in Production if there is no intent to add an optic? The issue is having a backup gun for major matches. I'm not going to spend all that time and money traveling to a major match just to have my gun break on the first stage and I'm there without a backup gun. Previously I could have used my production gun as a backup to my CO gun, but now I can't. I've been enjoying shooting CO, but not enough to buy two CO guns... I get what you're saying now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGus Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 To me it seems with the changes it's now closer to, but not entirely, a Production Optics division. Which in my opinion (which no one asked for and holds no weight or significance) is how it should have been. Just make it Production Optics. This is a game. It's not real life tactical practice for CCW. And if someone wants to shoot it with just iron sights.....who gives a damn. People can shoot Open without an optic, but no one at a high level does because they know it's a disadvantage. For the elite level GM's that are used to shooting with a red dot, I'd be surprised if someone could beat them with iron sights over a 14-20 stage match. But if someone wants to try so be it. But rules are rules. Bottom line is that you can't please everyone. In it's current form it seems it's generating a lot of interest. While there may not yet be a lot of CO competitors at local matches, there are a lot of people gearing up for it. It's just in its infancy. I think it will grow to be a popular division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilBunniFuFu Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 To me it seems with the changes it's now closer to, but not entirely, a Production Optics division. But it isn't, you have slide cuts with grip reductions neither of which are allowed in Prod. I feel like this division turned into a restricted open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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