P.E. Kelley Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I done what I can to NOT ask...why the LW build? I am afraid of the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mitch Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I'm going to put one together for fun. 3-Gun in Oklahoma is very short-range now. No point in having a long gun, or even a 3-Gun scope, except for out-of-state matches, and possibly if IPSC Rifle takes off here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike41 Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 Pat, The reason for the lightweight build is that I have a very small son with spaghetti arms and he just can't hold my rifle up by himself for any length of time and stay very steady. Most of local matches are just bay stages with a very occasional 200 yds target. So I am going shorter on the barrel, 14.5 + comp to 16", going with a dot type sight like a Sparc or something like that. Was thinking the lighter upper/ lower would help but if I am reading between the lines the quality or reliability may not be there with ones I have considered as the application is 3 gun where we are dumping guns in a barrel and I need things breaking on me. Was thinking about the KMR 13" handguard and an ACE ultra light stock also. Suggestions or advice for what I am trying to achieve here? Telling my son to lift weights or he will grow up is not the answer as he is just very small at 15 (size of most 12 year olds). Probably won't get much bigger and I don't want to lose his interest now. I have enjoyed all the post and appreciate everyone's advice. Thanks, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike41 Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 "Don't need things breaking on me" Merry Christmas! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Mike41....You had me at "my son"! You are a great Dad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanGriffith Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Hey that's awesome Mike41! Cool dad! I can't wait to give my boy his first rifle for 3 Gun (hopefully) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Hey Mike...I would like to donate a drop in trigger to help with the build. Please PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanGriffith Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 What kind of trigger PE? Are you a trigger man? PM if you are, I need some guidance on a trigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Pat you should have PM'd him about the trigger donation! I suddenly feel compelled to mention the rifle my 9 year old and I are building.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanGriffith Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Haha I don't want a free one, just looking for advice from as many people that are willing to give it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 What kind of trigger PE? Are you a trigger man? PM if you are, I need some guidance on a trigger Most of the drop ins are great. I use CMC and Timney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanGriffith Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Ok. Those are two on my list, along with AR Gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Pat you should have PM'd him about the trigger donation! I suddenly feel compelled to mention the rifle my 9 year old and I are building.... Too late. I only have one I can spare. My trigger sponsor sponsor didn't feel I did enough for them to keep me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Ok. Those are two on my list, along with AR Gold All I can say is...you CAN spend too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Pat you should have PM'd him about the trigger donation! I suddenly feel compelled to mention the rifle my 9 year old and I are building....Too late. I only have one I can spare. My trigger sponsor sponsor didn't feel I did enough for them to keep me.I was only half serious. Way to reel in the next generation of 3 gunners though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr1042 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 When did you grab that story you linked because at 6:43pm EST on 26 December 2015 the rifle has a different listed configuration. It is as follows: Barrel: 14.5” PROOF Research carbon fiber wrapped barrel, 1:8 twist. PROOF Research barrels are up to 64% lighter than traditional steel barrels. Trigger: AR Gold set at 1.75lbs. Optic: Leupold Optics VX-6 1-6x24mm with MultiGun reticle Compensator: Armalite 3-Gun Brake. This compensator can be tuned to the individual shooter. Lower receiver: MAG Tactical Systems. The MAG Tactical Systems lower receiver is 35% lighter than a standard aluminum lower receiver. Rail: Armalite 3-Gun Free Float Rail Bolt Carrier Group: JP low mass carrier with JP enhanced bolt Buffer: JP low mass buffer with JP spring Stock: TACMOD AR15 buttstock Gas system: JP low profile, mid-length, adjustable gas system Scope mount: Leupold Mark 2 IMS Notice that the compensator and rail are both different. I have to wonder how much involves sponsorship or other affililation arrangements between either Mr. or Mrs. Horner. Or perhaps it's more chasing performance? BTW, I've been on the same squad as Mrs. Horner and had many opportunities to interact with her socially at the match. I didn't know who she was. She was very nice and seemed approachable, well-grounded, etc. So, I don't mean for my comments to be misinterpreted as negative against either of them.Proof barrels in their AR profiles and lengths suited for 3-gun are not significantly lighter than all steel versions. Once you get to 20"+ lengths for 308 and related calibers you begin to see more significant savings. For long bolt gun barrels it can be very impressive. Just ask Proof yourself, like I did. In the end, I'm really only posting since the list you showed as coming from the article and the one I read a few minutes ago have those small differences. I found that odd and unexpected. Know what, I goofed up. I grabbed the list from another site then linked the article to her homepage. If I had used my own link, would have shown the equipment list you have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr1042 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 The link I grabbed from is http://proofresearch.com/newsletter/the-easy-answer-to-guns-for-3-gun/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropsitos Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwi3u6fIu_PJAhVMph4KHT4AASIQFggJMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Ff-1firearms.com%2Fbdr-15-3gupper-lower-set%2F&usg=AFQjCNGVzn_VmK_cnzM4FO0uNsjpCFnSWw I got one of these for Christmas, in orange (just the receiver set). I wanted something lighter weight and a touch redicilious for a second gun, for short range stuff. I did see one used at FNH this year by someone one my squad. Ran great and I don't think the owner babied it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I ended up picking up a 2a armament receiver set to do this exact thing for my wife. I'm guessing I can get it to about 5 lbs before optics. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanGriffith Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 I got my order of Mag Tactical Lowers in and I'm very impressed with their quality and fit. I heard the new generation was supposed to be good. And they're definitely the nicest lowers I've put my hands on. Time will tell how they hold up, but I'm not to worried about them. I also got them at a very good price! I'd definitely order them again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike41 Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 I ordered a 2A set. So we will see how light this rifle will be. Worried about balance though. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I've got a 2a set at home I'll be building off of here. The 41p changed y priorities right now so we will see when I get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike41 Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 41p ? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Sorry it's an nfa thing. Short barrels suppressors and machine guns. They are changing how you can purchase so my nfa related stuff is being moved up in the timetable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FULLMETAL Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Been looking at the F7 upper lower and handguard for a lite weight build with a BCM pencil 14.5 pinned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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