greatlakes08 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I have searched on the forum and can't find much mention of the VEPR 12. Can anybody give me feedback on performance/reliability? I had a Saiga which was never really reliable is the VEPR a huge improvement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeAZ Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I've had 2 Sagia's and 2 Vepr's. Both Saiga's had to have the barrel pulled and the gas ports opened, NOT so with either Vepr. The cheek weld on the Vepr folding/fixed stock didn't work for me..I kept tthe plastic stock version. For reliable performance with the 12 rd SGM Vepr mag your going to have to use 1300 fps x1 1/8 oz. ammo. That said, there is a R&R Saiga shooter at our match's, that thing runs like a top with the R&R 23 rd. mag...HE told me he has to use1400+ fps for about 4/5 shells to get the mag to run 100%. Even with lot's of bolt polishing on the Vepr, I sometimes have difficulty inserting a full 12 rd. mag during competition...BUT this could just be my inherent clumsiness?. Nuts and bolts...The Vepr's are a better buy, full of inspection stamps, (at least someone looked at while is was being manufactured, the Saiga's are rougher).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatlakes08 Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 I understand you have to use the faster birdshot but does it run reliable with that ammo 100%? Also there are 10 rd factory mags out now do they make a big difference on reliability as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Its Open. Nothing runs 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darqusoull13 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 VEPRs are pretty solid and can be set up for 3-Gun to run reliably although like any gun, there's preventative maintenance that will go a long way. The 10 and 20 round mags are pretty robust but if they get dropped in sand you would want to clean them, just like any other magazine. The VEPR I shot had a slick comp that worked great with 1350 fps Double A's. The dot barely wiggled and cleaning a plate rack...there aren't many things that can make you smile like that. The guy that let me shoot his open guns does great work greatlakes08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llandaff Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 90% of russian Open shooters are running Veprs. New shooters are buying factory competition-ready VPO-205SP version. It has muzzlebreak, collapsible stock, magwell, magazine release, competition trigger job, picatinny rail cover, competition gasblock with pass-thru cleaning, crossbolt safety button etc. http://molot-guns.com/smoothbore-gun/vpo-205-00-sp Price - 69000 roubles, that's $1050 dollars. Only thing you need to add is a red-dot and some extra 10-round magazines. Else you can have Saiga-340. Price is about the same. http://www.miroh.ru/gladkostvolnoe-oruzhie?productID=1233755 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 90% of russian Open shooters are running Veprs. New shooters are buying factory competition-ready VPO-205SP version. It has muzzlebreak, collapsible stock, magwell, magazine release, competition trigger job, picatinny rail cover, competition gasblock with pass-thru cleaning, crossbolt safety button etc. http://molot-guns.com/smoothbore-gun/vpo-205-00-sp Price - 69000 roubles, that's $1050 dollars. Only thing you need to add is a red-dot and some extra 10-round magazines. Else you can have Saiga-340. Price is about the same. http://www.miroh.ru/gladkostvolnoe-oruzhie?productID=1233755 My Russian is horrible. Can you point me to the "buy now" button?? On a serious note though I'm curious what sort of modifications are being done to the Veprs and how reliable they are. One of my friends runs a Vepr which is fairly stock and it seems to be pretty reliable. Not 100%, but arguably better than my Akdal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenLife Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) We build both VEPR and SAIGA platform for competition. I prefer the VEPR and have shot of 25K rounds through my mine. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207700765467147&set=a.10201087328175348.1073741830.1532925428&type=3&theater Edited November 30, 2015 by DissidentArms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeAZ Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 You have to do a little "dancing" to be 922 compliant ...that is, to be 922 legal for using 10/12 round mags..( You will read that many poopa the 922 rule, I wouldn't BECAUSE it a "law", compliance actually makes the Vepr better.). Most use the Tapco single hook trigger setup. You will need to blend in the hammer parts and polish the same (not hard to do). Polish the bolt etc., add a USA puck and I believe that's it at the present time....Your reward will be a great trigger. I use the Dremel, polishing pads, and the "green" polishing stick (any rock shop store item). UTube should have all the info...Have fun!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 This is my Vepr I am going to use next year. The stock adapter, dot mount, and brake are still in the rough, and fabricated by me. I printed the mag coupler and follower. I wish we could purchase the Russian version above! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 90% of russian Open shooters are running Veprs. New shooters are buying factory competition-ready VPO-205SP version. It has muzzlebreak, collapsible stock, magwell, magazine release, competition trigger job, picatinny rail cover, competition gasblock with pass-thru cleaning, crossbolt safety button etc. http://molot-guns.com/smoothbore-gun/vpo-205-00-sp Price - 69000 roubles, that's $1050 dollars. Only thing you need to add is a red-dot and some extra 10-round magazines. Else you can have Saiga-340. Price is about the same. http://www.miroh.ru/gladkostvolnoe-oruzhie?productID=1233755 Llandaff, do you know how the left side charge handles are attached? Do they just weld them on, or drill and tap a hole? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llandaff Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Drill&tap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Thanks. Could you provide some close up pics? I am not sure exactly where the best place would be to locate the hole. The handle is removable as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 This is my Vepr I am going to use next year. The stock adapter, dot mount, and brake are still in the rough, and fabricated by me. I printed the mag coupler and follower. I wish we could purchase the Russian version above! Wow, I like the magazine. How many rounds does it hold? Where did you find the magazine spring for something that long? Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 We build both VEPR and SAIGA platform for competition. I prefer the VEPR and have shot of 25K rounds through my mine. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207700765467147&set=a.10201087328175348.1073741830.1532925428&type=3&theater I have seen Mike's Saiga's and Vepr's run and next to my T&N MKA1919 it is one of the best open shotguns around. Fast, flat, and reliable, they do great work. gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 This is my Vepr I am going to use next year. The stock adapter, dot mount, and brake are still in the rough, and fabricated by me. I printed the mag coupler and follower. I wish we could purchase the Russian version above! Wow, I like the magazine. How many rounds does it hold? Where did you find the magazine spring for something that long? Bill It holds 26. I used the tooth and nail 25 round spring. It really seems to be a quality spring. It was wound square and would not work quite right with the stock follower. It is 2 sgm mags coupled butt to butt. I printed a cover to protect the end not on use. And I got tried of people asking me if you would load it off both ends! I would ask them why would you want to do a mag change with the same mag? Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llandaff Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I'm shooting Standard Manual and don't have a Vepr But i'll ask our guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warkitz Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Its Open. Nothing runs 100% Lol This. I've seen veprs work a machine gun but also I've seen them turn into pump guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothandnail Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Its Open. Nothing runs 100% Lol This. I've seen veprs work a machine gun but also I've seen them turn into pump guns. Been shooting an MKA 1919 for 3+ years, NEVER not finished a stage, or match, because of a malfunction. The worst problem I've had was a user induced double feed. I see way more stoppages in rifles , in ALL divisions , than I see specific Open gear failing. As in most racing sports, it's 98% user error that knocks them out of the game. A recent example, a guy at a match was having problems with his shotgun ( he'd owned it for 4 years) he put it together wrong when he cleaned it the day before the match. Yet the WHOLE match he was blaming "that POS shotgun" for ruining his match. REALLY ? ? ? ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Well that is the other (generalized) rule about Open..... the shooters always have some excuse! :-) Trust me though, when my pre-XN dies I will be giving you a call for one of your bad boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 ROing at FNH the last few years, I have a few open shotguns puke. I would say the most common problem is a weak mag spring. I don't know this for certain, but watching what is going on that would be my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 This is my Vepr I am going to use next year. The stock adapter, dot mount, and brake are still in the rough, and fabricated by me. I printed the mag coupler and follower. I wish we could purchase the Russian version above! Wow, I like the magazine. How many rounds does it hold? Where did you find the magazine spring for something that long? Bill It holds 26. I used the tooth and nail 25 round spring. It really seems to be a quality spring. It was wound square and would not work quite right with the stock follower. It is 2 sgm mags coupled butt to butt. I printed a cover to protect the end not on use. And I got tried of people asking me if you would load it off both ends! I would ask them why would you want to do a mag change with the same mag? Is the coupler used to mate the two magazines available to purchase? Any chance you could post a close up photo of the coupler? Thanks, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Mags, not the shotguns are usually the weak link in open mag fed shotguns. Guns work, mags not always. You are only as good as the magazine. gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 A while back Firebird Precision made some YouTube videos on tuning MKA 1919 magazines. I would think, since they are all 12 gauge, the procedure for tuning a Vepr 12 magazine would be similar. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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