JesseKH Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 I just started shooting USPSA this year and I really enjoy it. I've shot 2 matches so far this year, the first one with my buddies 9mm and the second one (after gathering all the proper equipment) with my Ruger KP90. My basic question is what division should I be shooting in? I somewhat understand the different divisions as far as the rules go, but I have no practical knowledge of them. My basic reloads have about a 180 PF (200gr @ 900 fps). This definitely slows me down on multiple shots as compared to a minor power factor (not that it makes that big of a difference in my overall slooooownessssss.......yet!), but there is no advantage for the major power factor in Production Division. Everything else being equal, I would score a higher hit factor in Limited 10, but that may not make me more competitive if that is a "racier equipment" division. Would it be more advantageous for me to develop light loads and stay in Production, or move to Limited 10? As an aside, I have Hogue wraparound rubber grips on my pistol which I absolutely love. I have read elsewhere on this forum that they are illegal in Production. If this is true, can anybody explain to me why I can replace my standard barrel, as well as have internal trigger work, etc. done on my gun and remain in Production, but cannot put a pair of $20 grips on it ? I am not sure that I understand the intent of this rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobert1 Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 I'll address your second question. I too had a Ruger with the Hogue Grips. Basically you can make modifications to the INTERNAL parts to increase reliability. You cannot change the outward appearance of the gun in Production. Your grips add finger grooves that the original profile of the gun does not have. I loved mine too but had to remove them to be production legal. You can add Grip or Skateboard tape but that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Whether you shoot Production, or L-10, you're going to be down 2 rounds of capacity, which puts you at a slight disadvantage, either way (unless you can get extended 10rd mags for it for L-10???). For production, you can download some serious softballs, and have a real soft shooting .45 - Bullseye type loads. You probably want to download a little for L-10, anyhow - Major is 165PF, after all. It might be a little easier to compete in Production, as you will be competing against guns w/ somewhat similar triggers (vs. the SS 1911 single actions in L-10). Either way, though, you'll have a lot of fun. Pick one (or both) and go for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseKH Posted March 29, 2005 Author Share Posted March 29, 2005 I do have ProMag 10 round magazines. Is this another strike for me as far as Production goes? I did not see in the rules where it stated that only factory size magazines can be used. Perhaps my decision is not going to be that hard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 What I'm not clear about w/ the higher cap mags is, if they are allowed to stick out beyond the bottom of the grip. A "specialist" in Production class will have to pipe up on that Sorry I don't know more, there.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeInNePa Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 What I'm not clear about w/ the higher cap mags is, if they are allowed to stick out beyond the bottom of the grip. A "specialist" in Production class will have to pipe up on that Sorry I don't know more, there.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> US APPENDIX D9 US Production Division Special conditions: 1 Minimum power factor for Major Not applicable 2 Minimum power factor for Minor 125 3 Minimum bullet weight No 4 Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length 9mm (0.354”) / 19mm (0.748”) 5 Minimum bullet caliber for Major Not applicable 6 Minimum trigger pull No 7 Maximum barrel length Yes, Production guns 5.5” Revolvers 8.5” 8 Maximum magazine length -No 9 Maximum ammunition capacity -Yes, 10 rounds loaded maximum in any magazine after the start signal. 10 Max. distance of handgun and mags/speed load-ers from torso 50mm 11 Rule 5.2.3.1 applies No 12 Restriction on position of holster and other equip-ment Yes, see item 19 below. 13 Optical/electronic sights permitted No 14 Compensators permitted No 15 Ports permitted No 16 Maximum weight Yes, 2 ounces over factory specified 17. Only handguns approved and listed on the USPSA website may be used in Production Division. 18. Single-action-only handguns are prohibited. 19. Handgun may not be in single action mode at start signal. 20. Neither the handgun, nor any of its attachments, nor any allied equipment (e.g. magazines or other loading devices), can extend forward of the line illustrated in Appendix F3. Any such items a Range Officer deems not to be in compliance must be safely and promptly adjusted, failing which Rule 6.2.5.1 will apply. 21. Allowed modifications are very limited and include the following: 21.1 No weighted attachments allowed to magazine. 21.2 Front sights may be trimmed, fiber optics inserted, adjusted and/or have sight black applied. Sights must be of the notch and post type. January 2004 Edition Rule Book • 97 98 • January 2004 Edition Rule Book 21.3 Replacement barrels allowed provided barrel length is same as original factory standard. Heavy barrels and/or barrel sleeves not allowed. 21.4 Action work to enhance reliability (throating, trigger work, etc.) is allowed. 21.5 External modifications other than sights not allowed. 21.6 Aftermarket grips which match the profile of the OFM standard for the approved handgun and/or the application of grip tape or rubber sleeves is permitted. Modifications to grips, other than previously mentioned, not allowed, such as grooves cut to reach mag release or size reduction. 22. A competitor who fails to comply with any of the requirements above will be subject to Rule 6.2.5.1 23. Competition holsters of the race gun type specifically not allowed. For clar-ification: ALL retention features of the holster MUST be used. All holsters must fully cover the trigger when the pistol is holstered. The front of holsters for autos may be cut no lower than ¼-inch below the ejection port. Revolver holsters may be cut no lower than half way down the cylinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splashdown Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 As you can see by the above rules, your 10-round extended mags are legal as is your rubber slip on hogue grip. You cannot modify those magazines or the grip, but you may use them as is. Enjoy the game. splashdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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