Smeeg Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) There seems to be two major sellers on eBay for the low mass ball detent and the shell plate bearing money aside which is the best product? Snowshooze Ball detent http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dillon-XL-650-SL-900-RL-550-B-Buffer-Detent-Ball-Spring-Kit-/321249731742?hash=item4acbf9e49e:g:ckIAAOxydB1ShCyK Bearing very different form the needle bearing http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dillon-XL-650-RL-550-SL-900-Top-plate-bearing-/221446108730?hash=item338f37763a:g:W6UAAOxyBPZTfYzP Hit factor Low mass ball detent http://www.ebay.com/itm/Low-Mass-Detent-Ball-for-Dillon-450-550-650-900-Press-Hit-Factor-Shooting-/291082814395?hash=item43c5e343bb:g:hiYAAOxywh1TCjEz Needle bearing (yes I know you can buy it from mcmastercarr) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shellplate-Bearing-Kit-for-Dillon-XL-650-Hit-Factor-Shooting-Supply-/300359068964?hash=item45eecbad24:g:jO8AAOxy0bRTCN01 Edited November 7, 2015 by Smeeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmt Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I think you're overthinking the whole issue. Clip half a coil from the current spring under the ball and carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangGreg66 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Do these actually help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 One is a needle bearing/roller bearing the other is a bronze bushing. I use the low mass ball, 1coil cut and the needle bearing. It did help my 650. Made it easier to get the shell plate nice and tight without extra drag. Get the bearing wherever it's cheap and a cheap low mass ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustybayonet Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I noticed on my 550 all it takes is cleaning and proper adjustment of the shell plate it runs smooooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty79 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I have a needle bearing set up on a 550b. I have to retighten the shell plate bolt every 500 to 1000 rounds of 9mm. It gets loose and the case feeder doesn't feed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimk60 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) XL650 I didn't clip my spring, i may try this. I did add the low-mass ball first. Didn't seem to help that much. I do have the needle bearing on the shell plate. This has slowed down the jump, but more importantly, I am able to tighten down the shell plate so that there is almost no vertical movement, but is still loose enough to rotate with little resistance from friction. Things that have improved since adding the needle bearing set: 1. Less chance of 'flipping' powder out of case. 2. More consistent bullet seating OAL. 3. More consistent crimp from Lee FCD. 4. More consistent powder throws with 700X. 5. Better, more consistent primer seating. I attribute these improvements 90% to the needle bearing, and 10% to the low mass detent ball. Removing these issues has allowed me to concentrate on my loading technique. My $.02 YMMV as always. Edited November 9, 2015 by Jimk60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I put a bearing on mine and it helped reduce the snap drastically. It allows a much tighter shell plate. There is no reason for the plate to ever work loose because of the bearing. Once the set screw is tight in the shaft it never loosens on its own. The ball is not a worthwhile addition in my opinion. If you do a good search on these forums you will find this topic has been beat to death. As it turns out one if the easiest fixes for snap is adjusting the indexing block slightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustybayonet Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 XL650 2. More consistent bullet seating OAL. 3. More consistent crimp from Lee FCD. I'm a 550 guy, but wouldn't oal and crimp work between base plat and tool head? And have nothing to do with the shell plate. It works that way on the 550. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimk60 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) XL650 2. More consistent bullet seating OAL. 3. More consistent crimp from Lee FCD. I'm a 550 guy, but wouldn't oal and crimp work between base plat and tool head? And have nothing to do with the shell plate. It works that way on the 550. On the 650, the shell plate holds the cartridge throughout the loading cycle. I would assume the 550 is the same with one less station. The fact that the roller bearing allows for a tighter, non-flexing fit of the shell plate means that the seating/OAL and crimp will more consistent, at least from the point of shell plate flex. The flex can be affected by a case that is hard to resize, thus putting more pressure on that side of the plate, letting the bullet seating side to rise slightly and seating the bullet deeper in the case. Conversely, if the cartridge sizes quite easily, it can allow the bullet seating side to put more pressure on the plate, lowering that side slightly, creating a longer OAL, While these differences can be only in the hundreds or thousands of an inch, if your are loading for accuracy, it can make a big difference. If loading for plinking, it wont make much difference. It can also effect the function of the round in your firearm. For instance, when I load 45 ACP wadcutters, not only can the OAL be an issue, the crimp is even more of an issue. The OAl can effect feeding and the crimp can can have an impact on the slide going into full battery. Ask me how I know. Edited November 9, 2015 by Jimk60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDA Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 4. More consistent powder throws with 700X. Can't quite get a grip on how adding a shell plate bearing affects the powder measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 It has no effect on the powder measure, but, if the shell plate jerks - starting or stopping - it will "sling" powder out of the case all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 On a 550 the bottom of the case rests against the sub plate/platform. On a 650 the cases are held totally by the shell plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I bought mine from Texas Brass Works and am super happy with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
427Cobra Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I have the complete kit from Snoshooze on my 650, smooth and easy operation, no powder spills, I recommend the whole kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 You can buy bearings from mcmaster carr for a few bucks apiece. Thats the best deal around. I ordered a handful and sold them to friends on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustybayonet Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 On a 550 the bottom of the case rests against the sub plate/platform. On a 650 the cases are held totally by the shell plate. Question answered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosemcnally Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 You can buy bearings from mcmaster carr for a few bucks apiece. Thats the best deal around. I ordered a handful and sold them to friends on here. What is the size or part number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 You can buy bearings from mcmaster carr for a few bucks apiece. Thats the best deal around. I ordered a handful and sold them to friends on here. What is the size or part number? Did the leg work for you on this one. Everything you need is in this thread. By the way the bearing is in stock at amazon too but the washer is out of stock. You can order from many places and the prices seem to be about the same with shipping being the main difference. Some have found them locally as well I guess. And you really only need one washer and the bearing. Tweo washers will make it too tall for the ejector wire to stay in place. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=86570#entry996740 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phecksel Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) hit factor kit is amazing and worth every penny! Edited November 23, 2015 by phecksel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 hit factor kit is amazing and worth every penny! it's made up of the same exact bearings and washers you can buy for a few bucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 As I wrote in another thread, I consider all these totally useless and unnecessary, so I don't use them. I just control the speed with my hand, and I get no spillage on my presses. You just learn not to jerk the handle, park it in smooth motion, and everything goes as it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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