FlashAndPoof Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Looking to reload 9mm and .223. I usually only reload precision rifle rounds on a single stage press so I'm not familiar with progressive presses. I have a single stage press and a Giraud trimmer/annealer ordered for my rifle brass. But now I've just recently gotten into competition shooting and am looking to mass reload 9mm and .223. Would you recommend a 1050 for such a purpose? (Stupid question... but does the .223 get reloaded on a single cycle through the 1050? I recall reading how others needed to change tool heads for two separate runs?) Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 The 1050 would be a great press for mass I loading of 9mm and 223. And yes, you need two heads to do raw 223 to finished ammo. One to process and prep the brass, and the other to load it. jj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 You can go cheaper.. and just move the trimmer and dies around on the same tool head If you do them in large batches, it might make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safeactionjackson Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Sounds like a perfect use case for a s1050! ~g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson184 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Why exactly does he need another toolhead to prep 223 brass? Doesn't he have a trimmer already? Can't he just trim everything then send it through the 1050? Or does the 1050 not have enough stations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorfish Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Why exactly does he need another toolhead to prep 223 brass? Doesn't he have a trimmer already? Can't he just trim everything then send it through the 1050? Or does the 1050 not have enough stations? You size the case before you trim. So one head would be used to de-cap and size the brass, then off to the Giraud to trim. The second head would be for loading (and swaging). I would imagine an RT-1500 trimmer would be added to the .223 trim head if convenience would be an issue. The Giraud would then be reserved for precision rifle trimming duty. Edited September 3, 2015 by razorfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson184 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Why exactly does he need another toolhead to prep 223 brass? Doesn't he have a trimmer already? Can't he just trim everything then send it through the 1050? Or does the 1050 not have enough stations? You size the case before you trim. So one head would be used to de-cap and size the brass, then off to the Giraud to trim. The second head would be for loading (and swaging). I would imagine an RT-1500 trimmer would be added to the .223 trim head if convenience would be an issue. The Giraud would then be reserved for precision rifle trimming duty. Oh, ok. So if he got the RT-1500 Trimmer to be added to a .223 trim head, he would still need two tool heads, correct? For some reason I remember some sales guy demonstrating loading a .223 from start to end on a 1050. Guess he must have already decapped, resized, and trimmed the brass? A bit misleading lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Why exactly does he need another toolhead to prep 223 brass? Doesn't he have a trimmer already? Can't he just trim everything then send it through the 1050? Or does the 1050 not have enough stations? You size the case before you trim. So one head would be used to de-cap and size the brass, then off to the Giraud to trim. The second head would be for loading (and swaging). I would imagine an RT-1500 trimmer would be added to the .223 trim head if convenience would be an issue. The Giraud would then be reserved for precision rifle trimming duty. Oh, ok. So if he got the RT-1500 Trimmer to be added to a .223 trim head, he would still need two tool heads, correct? For some reason I remember some sales guy demonstrating loading a .223 from start to end on a 1050. Guess he must have already decapped, resized, and trimmed the brass? That is corect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I would NOT want to use a Giraud or any other of the "pencil sharpener" type trimmers for bulk processing of rifle brass. With a 2 head system including a Dillon trimmer, I can process a 5 gallon bucket full of 223 brass in about 3-4 hours, decaped, sized, trimmed, and swaged. Ready to load after tumbling to removing lube... jj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashAndPoof Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Any chance you can elaborate specifically on exactly how you have your two toolheads set up for .223? (What dies, and where, on which number toolhead?) I was starting to think it may be cheaper to get a 550 just to prep the brass and load less used calibers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safeactionjackson Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) At least this is my plan: Tool head 1: 1. Size/Deprime 2. Swage 3. NA 4. NA 5. NA 6. Trim with RT1200/1500 7. NA /wet tumble to remove lube. Tool Head 2: 1. NA 2. Swage 3. Prime 4. Powder 5. Powder Check (optional) 6. Seat Bullet 7. Crimp (if applicable) ~g Edited September 4, 2015 by safeactionjackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer1 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Is case trimming the main reason we hear about loading in two stages on the Dillon 1050 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safeactionjackson Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Is case trimming the main reason we hear about loading in two stages on the Dillon 1050 ? I think some will process only on a 1050 because of the of the on press swaging, then reload on another press. Yes, that is why people speak of two tool heads, I'd think it would be ideal for bulk processing. I purchased a s1050 so I could reload 9mm (2K+ per month), 223/300blk bulk processing (once a year... maybe). I've got 3 tool heads, 1 each for 9/40, and a cut version that I plan to use when processing 223 to 300blk. ~g Edited September 4, 2015 by safeactionjackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson184 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Is this possible? Deprime/FL Resize .223 brass on a Dillon 550B, Trim on a Giraud, clean the brass to remove lube, and then... On the 1050, Have it set up to 1. Swage 2. Prime 3. Powder 4. Seat Bullet 5. Crimp (if applicable) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safeactionjackson Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I don't see why not. ~g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 You might check and see if you could incorporate the trimmer on the 550 and not have to mess with the Giraud. I don't know if that will work as I've never had a 550 or an RT-1500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastly Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I've run my RT1200 on a 550 and later a 1050. 1050 + Mr. Bullet Feeder great for 9mm and 223. More heads saves lots of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson184 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 How long would it take to convert a 223 set up 1050 with MrBulletFeeder to 9mm? 20 minutes? I'd like to reload a lot of 223 and 9mm so I'm almost tempted to save up for 2 1050s... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonman16 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) Longer than 20 minutes. 1050's are better at loading THOUSANDS before change overs. Edited September 5, 2015 by moonman16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterpuc Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 How long would it take to convert a 223 set up 1050 with MrBulletFeeder to 9mm? 20 minutes? I'd like to reload a lot of 223 and 9mm so I'm almost tempted to save up for 2 1050s... lol As moon man mentioned... Much longer than 20 minutes. Especially for both MBF and S1050. I would say it takes me 45 minutes to an hour to switch from 45 to 9 or vice versa with my MBF and S1050 (including the primer system). I have found it is easier to do when I am not in a hurry. That is why I try to load between 3-6k before switching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishoesel Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 A Dillon S1050 is good for EVERYONE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson184 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) At least this is my plan: Tool head 1: 1. Size/Deprime 2. Swage 3. NA 4. NA 5. NA 6. Trim with RT1200/1500 7. NA /wet tumble to remove lube. Tool Head 2: 1. NA 2. Swage 3. Prime 4. Powder 5. Powder Check (optional) 6. Seat Bullet 7. Crimp (if applicable) ~g Guess I'm just really not getting it or am dumb lol. Why couldn't one do this... 1. FL Resize/Deprime 2. Swage 3. Trim 4. Prime 5. Powder 6. Bullet (MrBulletFeeder) 7. Seat Bullet and get everything in one toolhead for one pass through the 1050? Edited September 7, 2015 by johnson184 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterpuc Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 At least this is my plan: Tool head 1: 1. Size/Deprime 2. Swage 3. NA 4. NA 5. NA 6. Trim with RT1200/1500 7. NA /wet tumble to remove lube. Tool Head 2: 1. NA 2. Swage 3. Prime 4. Powder 5. Powder Check (optional) 6. Seat Bullet 7. Crimp (if applicable) ~g Guess I'm just really not getting it or am dumb lol. Why couldn't one do this... 1. FL Resize/Deprime 2. Swage 3. Trim 4. Prime 5. Powder 6. Bullet (MrBulletFeeder) 7. Seat Bullet and get everything in one toolhead for one pass through the 1050? I don't think it would all fit. Even if it would, it would be very difficult to operate, you would probably want more leverage than the already long 1050 handle offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 The trimmer will cover 3 stations. Unless the swage die is real short (it is not) there is not enough room. Believe me I would love to do rifle loading in one pass, just haven't figured out how to do it on a 1050. But don't be discouraged! Share your success or ??? with us. jj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer1 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 When will they start shipping the 10-station Dillon Ultimate 1150 press ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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