johnson184 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Seems like the Razor Gen II 1-6x is extremely recommended for 3 gun shooting. But how bad is the nightforce 2.5-10x? Can you shoot it at 2.5x for close range shooting? Or is it too slow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caz41 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 It can be done, but it's not optimal and will be slower. The field of view is reduced big time and with a true 1x with a bright dot (like the razor) you can run it both eyes open just like a traditional red dot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziebart Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 If you already have the 2.5-10 use it and then ask to borrow someone else's setup for a stage and see for yourself. The biggest challenge you will have is if you have a bunch of close targets you may skip one and double shoot the others. I started with a 3-12 that I already had on the rifle and that did not last for more than a couple matches before I got a 1-4. You will be using your side irons for 90% of the shots if you stick with the 2.5-10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwink Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 What I had to think about after just considering this same question is "What's best for me?" If you honestly are going to use the gun primarily for 3 gun and are a competitor then the 1-6 is hands down the way to go. If you are going to use the gun for primarily other things (like me) and just like the idea of a well tuned fast shooting ar I went 2.5-10. I enjoy longer range shooting too much to stay with 6x as my max, just personal preference. I'm sure there's lots of guys on here than can outshoot me on 10x with there 6x or 4x any day, but I know I can shoot better myself with higher magnification at those 400 - 600 yard targets I will enjoy engaging. IF you are honestly going to do both, go ahead and get 2 optics that stay mounted and with a quality system you should have little or no work to swap and maintain zeros. Get a 2.5-10 for long distance range days or even high magnification and get a true 1-? for 3 gun comps. For the price of either of those you could get a pretty decent set of both, like a PST 2.5-10 and a Burris or busnell elite 1-4/6. I understand if you like higher end glass though, there is definitely a difference between a night force and a PST or a burris and a Razor. In the end just be honest with yourself with your uses and what you want, there unfortunately is not perfect gun for everything you want to do with it, that's why we buy a lot of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deerhunter9790 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 1-6 razor is hard to beat IMO. It has worked for me out to 600 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson184 Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Alright you boys convinced me to go 1-x! Is the top dog the Vortex Razor Gen 2 with the JM reticle? Is there anything else out there I should be taking a look at around $2500 and under? And I think I'll get some offset irons as well just so I don't have to worry about rotating magnification back down for certain stages. Dueck the go to offset? Edited August 21, 2015 by johnson184 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striped1 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 The offset will put you into open. If $2500 is your budget then look at the Swaro 1-6. My budget was Vortex and I am very happy with it, but I didn't have an extra $1000 sitting around for the Swaro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFguywhoshoots Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Off sets will not put you into open according to 3 gun nation rules: 7.2.2.3 Practical Division rifles may be equipped with iron sights and or no more than one (1) optical sight. Both sight systems may be used in conjunction, co-witnessed or offset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amccallister Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I own a Swaro 1-6, a C-more 1-6, and have owned a Razor. It's kind of a toss up. The Razor is excellent, but very heavy. It's the clear bargain leader. The Swaro has world class glass, and is the standard by which others are judged. The C-more has a great reticle and also excellent glass and illumination. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend any of those three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson184 Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 Which reticle do you recommend for the Swaro? And EE or regular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amccallister Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Which reticle do you recommend for the Swaro? And EE or regular? Non EE is the way to go, bigger field of view. The BRT reticle is the one everyone I have seen uses for 3 gun. It works really well, but I prefer the finer crosshairs of the C-more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson184 Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Well I'm now deciding between the Vortex Gen 2 vs the Swaro. Is everyone using the JM reticle on the Vortex? I literally can't find a single Swaro near me to test out in person. From what you're saying, the illumination, glass, and build is superior in the Swaro? Edited August 22, 2015 by johnson184 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amccallister Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Well I'm not deciding between the Vortex Gen 2 vs the Swaro. Is everyone using the JM reticle on the Vortex? I literally can't find a single Swaro near me to test out in person. From what you're saying, the illumination, glass, and build is superior in the Swaro? If I were going to use the Razor, I would get the JM reticle. Some good friends of mine use it and do very well with it. Razor vs Swaro... I would say the Swaro glass is slightly better(very slight advantage, Razor has killer glass also), and the field of view is bigger. I prefer the illumination on the Swaro, it is more of a round dot. Both are no BS daylight bright. I haven't heard of many people breaking either one, I think durability is a wash. Vortex has the advantage in warranty though. The biggest advantage the Swaro has is how much lighter it is. The Razor is kind of a brick. I like the Swaro a little bit better, but it is definitely not $1000+ better than the Vortex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I have both the Swaro and the Vortex. Glass is equal. I prefer the mil reticle in the Swaro but I prefer the smaller redt illuminated dot in the Vortex. The Vortex is way heavier which I can live with the main down side that you have to work around is the very stiff adjustment ring. Both are great scopes. Vortex has a lifetime warranty and is far less expensive making it the choice if your looking to buy now.Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson184 Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 Hmm, looks like the Vortex for me then! But what do you guys think of the new Trijicon Accupoints? Love their acogs, but I haven't had the chance to try those new ones out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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