Religious Shooter Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Mr. Gary, I can't find the thread... but I seem to remember reading that you were looking for input from people for the new(er) USPSA 3-Gun rules. In short I'd like to suggest two things: I. Allow 20+ point targets for rifle and shotgun. II.Limit Limited/Tactical division magazines to 30 rounds. Relegate 31+ round magazines to Open (i.e. No 40's or Betas in Limited/Tactical). My (long) reasoning: I. Allow 20+ point targets for rifle and shotgun. My motivation for allowing the 20+ point valuation of some targets are to make pigeon flippers and moving targets (clays) a valid prop for use in USPSA 3-Gun. According to the current rules for shotgun and rifle: 22.214.171.124 In order to recognize a difficult shot in a course of fire, a small number of metal and/or frangible targets may score double value for a hit. The use of such targets is restricted to not more than 10% of the total number of targets in the match. Their use must have been approved during the course review process and they must be clearly identified in the written stage briefing. Anecdotal experience at the USPSA 3-Gun Nationals in Reno shows that 5 points don’t work: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...pigeon+flippers Erik Warren:On the pistol/shotgun stage with the door, swinger, and trolly, where you were supposed to shoot 3 poppers and 3 clays/charcoals, a certain RO who shall not be named was the first shooter and he ignored the disappearing targets before the slugs. The same RO shooter was first again on the next stage, the shotgun/pistol side-to-side with the low tombstone-shaped port on the left. And again he ignored the flipped, disappearing charcoal. After a few more ROs did this, the M.D. decided if the pre-match RO shooters weren't going for the disappearing targets, the real-match shooters wouldn't go for them, and he replaced them with static targets. At the recent Area 2 3-Gun Match (Stage 1 and 2) 10 points didn’t work either: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21448 http://uspsa2.org/match_results/match_disp...050212&club=5DG We can’t have failure to shoot (AKA FTE’s) or miss penalties due to 9.9.1 and 9.9.2. But by allowing 20+ point targets we can “get around” 9.9.1 and 9.9.2. As of now, using the current rules, (for the most part) these targets aren’t even worth engaging. II. In rifle relegate 31+ round magazines to Open Between rifle Open and Tactical/Limited… there really isn’t much of a difference separating the divisions. In pistol there is the Open=170mm and Limited=140mm rule. In shotgun there is Open=10+1 and Limited/Tactical = 8+1 There is also popular opinion that He-Man/Heavy Metal be limited to 20 rounds. Why not limit the magazines in Limited/Tactical to 30 rounds? By limiting it to 30 rounds we are cointinuing to be consistent with the underlying characteristic of Limited/Tactical --- that Limited/Tactical is a financially more affordable division (when compared to Open) to compete in. By limiting it to 30 rounds, the Tactical/Limited shooter won't be obligated to buy $50 40 round magazines and $250 100 round Beta C-Mags to be competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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