KSH Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Looking for a explanation on what could have happened. I don't think this could be a reload problem. Bullet impacted -0 area of the target and no damage to the gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 what happened... besides some one's Luckey Charms worked? that case looks to me like the definition of the line between 'safe' and 'incident' hard to say why. a little too much powder.... a set-back bullet... an old case which can be fatigued or corroded. and the last reason I am thinking will cause a fight. hohohohohohoh if you reloaded it, you may want to look over your process and check the usual suspects miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Was that loaded to major pf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSH Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 what happened... besides some one's Luckey Charms worked? that case looks to me like the definition of the line between 'safe' and 'incident' hard to say why. a little too much powder.... a set-back bullet... an old case which can be fatigued or corroded. and the last reason I am thinking will cause a fight. hohohohohohoh if you reloaded it, you may want to look over your process and check the usual suspects miranda Yes this is my reload. This is my first incident in over 20,000 reloads in the last couple of years. But it looks to me it was not fully cambered when it went off, also looks like a light primer strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSH Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Was that loaded to major pf? 4.5 gr of 231 124 gr mg hp Edited July 12, 2015 by KSH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockinator Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 How many times was that case reloaded if you know? That makes me think the case stretched over several cycles till it got thin and failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSH Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 How many times was that case reloaded if you know? That makes me think the case stretched over several cycles till it got thin and failed. Not more than twice from me and I sort by head stamp But a older case could have gotten picked up at the range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDA Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 also looks like a light primer strike. Excessive pressure pushes the firing pin and dimple back out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockinator Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Hmmm so 4.5 is slightly above max listed. I'm guessing similar loads used on the previous loadings. So loaded fairly hot maybe this time the tolerances stacked to be slightly higher with a little set back or something and high enough pressures to just start to see the small pin strike right before it start flowing back into the pin hole. I'm thinking weak brass and everything went the wrong way. You didn't say what it was fired in so hard to tell the likely hood of not being fully chambered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSH Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 Here is a pic of the casing in the barrel. It also ejected the casing, the reason i noticed it was because it fell on the table to my left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockinator Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Ohhh another piece of the puzzle, is that a stock Glock barrel? They were known to be slightly unsupported at the top of the ramp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSH Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 Ohhh another piece of the puzzle, is that a stock Glock barrel? They were known to be slightly unsupported at the top of the ramp. XDM 5.25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Hi my advice is starts at you have evidence you are past the limit. run lighter loads. you may have reasons to ignore that. so make sure your bullets do not set-back make sure your powder drop is not giving you a little extra consider running new brass mostly accept that because you are running close to the limits that you are working your cases harder and they will fail on the odd occasion. I have been told that firing out of battery is never the cause of such failures so I didn't mention it in my first post. me... I'd check that too. thems the usual things. miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I've been shooting a TruBor 9mm major (165 PF) for eight years. Got my gun back from gunsmith 3-4 years ago, and had three (3) of those pieces of brass within a few weeks (I was doing a lot of shooting during a two-day class I took, and a Major shoot). The two pieces of brass that I found were BOTH WINchester. Never found out the exact cause, but I got a lot of debris spit out when the shots went off. Posted it here on BE and lots of people thought gun fired out of battery, but the gunsmith said that's impossible - it was the primers or something else that I used. I still have two of those pieces of brass by my reloader. Good luck with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Well, Ive noticed it here in this forum, its always some other things and NEVER the 9mm CARTRIDGE loaded to MAJOR. Just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSH Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 I've been shooting a TruBor 9mm major (165 PF) for eight years. Got my gun back from gunsmith 3-4 years ago, and had three (3) of those pieces of brass within a few weeks (I was doing a lot of shooting during a two-day class I took, and a Major shoot). The two pieces of brass that I found were BOTH WINchester. Never found out the exact cause, but I got a lot of debris spit out when the shots went off. Posted it here on BE and lots of people thought gun fired out of battery, but the gunsmith said that's impossible - it was the primers or something else that I used. I still have two of those pieces of brass by my reloader. Good luck with it. It looks like it fired out of battery, because of the way it is formed. Did you change your load after it happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSH Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 Well, Ive noticed it here in this forum, its always some other things and NEVER the 9mm CARTRIDGE loaded to MAJOR. Just sayin' My concern here is not the "reload", but an issue with my XDM The consensus here is that it is not an issue with my XDM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 My SWAG would be old, tired brass case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgj3 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 You mentioned "-0" scoring area. Was this in IDPA? Are you trying to make "Major PF" for scoring in USPSA Open division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSH Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 You mentioned "-0" scoring area. Was this in IDPA? Are you trying to make "Major PF" for scoring in USPSA Open division? I practice with IDPA targets I was practicing Mozambique's when it happened, at the same time the next lane torched off a rifle. So I did not notice any thing different. As far as the load, it is a load both my XDM and M&P like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 had three (3) of those pieces of brass within a few weeks The brass that were BOTH WINchester. It looks like it fired out of battery, . Did you change your load after it happened? I haven't changed Anything - to the gun or the reloads - and I haven't had a fourth problem since then (3-4 years ago). Never did find out what happened ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 its NEVER the 9mm CARTRIDGE loaded to MAJOR. My problem (see above) was with 9mm major - WAC & MGJHP's 124 grains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 The OP didn't say what power factor, but, from reading all the above I doubt if it was loaded to a major PF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSH Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 The OP didn't say what power factor, but, from reading all the above I doubt if it was loaded to a major PF. My Crony shows these at 1075 Which would be 133 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDescribe Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I don't see how it could have fire formed the way it did if it were fully in battery when it fired. I'd suspect it was out of battery. What OAL are you loading to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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