Brian Payne Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 I have been practicing my reloads for my HK Fabarm FP6 pump shotgun. I have the blood blisters on the end of my thumb to proove it. Question on times. Holding the shotgun by the pistol grip, in the shooting position. Shells in a Choate 6 round carrier on the belt. Par time on the timer set at 4 sec. At the beep, grab 4 from the carrier and load weak handed. Four rounds in the magazine before the second beep. I can accomplish this about 85% of the time. I can't seem to get them loaded much faster at this time. Am I on the right track time wise? Or is this slow. This is standing in a static position. I want to get this down first, then start to practice loading on the move. I have large hands and can grab six at one time, but the loading seems more prone to fumbles. If I want to load eight, it is quicker to load 4 + 4 rather than load 6 + 2 from the carriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtypool40 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 I am far from a 3-gun expert, but I have heard (maybe read in Front Site) that any time coming close to 1 loaded round per second for a "shoot - reload - shoot" drill is pretty sporty. I think the example they gave was to start aimed on a popper, at the beep shoot one, reload eight and shoot one, and if you could get close to eight seconds you were smoking. I think they said da' Man (taran) doe sit in about seven. Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 You're definitely ahead of the pack. I think the non-match par time for the top dogs for 8+8 is in the neighborhood of 5.5 to 6.0 for bang - load 8 - bang. I'd be lucky to do it in 8 flat right about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Hit a pooper on the buzzer, reload 8 & hit 2nd pooper in the 6's is about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sargenv Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Question.. How many rounds start in the gun? 1 or 2? Is it load 1, (gun now empty) load 8, then shoot 1. Or is it 2 loaded, shoot 1, one in the pipe, load 8 and then shoot? In the Gold, this would not make a diff, in a gun where you have to put one in the side and then activate the loading gate (I'm thinking Benelli) it might take a bit longer. Remington is not too big a deal since loading 1 in the side and then activating it with the bottom of the gate closes the bolt. Or am I just complicating matters? Vince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike.45 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Sgt, Benny is right with those times, another alternative COF would be shoot one on the buzzer, load 4 whilst moving 10 feet, left or right and shooting a second in the 3.5 - 4 sec mark. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dunn Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I'm not shooting any poopers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK!! Start loading without looking at the port and your times will really decrease. I was "lucky" and had a cornia cut in my right eye just befor the European shotgun championships and for 2 weeks thats the only way I could practice, eyes shut, after that the speed just keeps getting better. KURTM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I'd love to see video of someone doing this. I need all the help I can get (I'm still in the double digits ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 BTW - Where are the reloads originating from? The gun (sidesaddle)? A belt tray (CCW/Choate)? Belt loops? I'm experimenting with techniques and will take any advice. Any advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Payne Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 My reloads are starting out of a six shell holder clipped to the belt. Benny Hill. I don't see any possible way that I can shoot one, load eight, then shoot the last one in six seconds. Just standing in one place and loading eight rounds takes me almost eight seconds. That is without even firing a shot much less having to add a pump in there also. Kurtm. I have tried the loading without looking trick and it is faster but I tend to fumble the load more often. Mike.45 - I think I could come close to hitting the four second mark if I didn't have to pump after the first shot while I should be going for more shells. I do feel the weak hand reload is going much faster for me. But this is only if I use a pistol grip shotgun stock. I was trying the same drills with a normal 870 but I couldn't do the weak hand reload as fast. I really can't say why the pistol grip makes a difference for me. Maybe it is just that I can keep the shotgun more stable with one hand. Man you guys are fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoliver Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Some awesome shotgunning videos of Neil Beverley HERE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Payne Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 mcoliver - I couldn't get the link to open for some reason. Dang, I really want to watch someone who knows how to do this properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Payne Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 Duh - read a little closer, you must be a member and logged in. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 How you move/don't move the shotgun is where you can pick up a lot of time. You have to multi-task. The rest of it is more about not doing stuff. Can I practice what I preach? Hell no. But I like to talk about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike.45 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 OK Sgt, I missed the pumper part ! Well after a lot of practice these times are still achieveable, but I do mean a lot ! maybe add .4, .5 sec for the pump bit. I have been using it for a year now after I really got my ass kicked by Kurt and converted. I used to load like the Neil Beverly clips. I am sort of now starting to hit good times. Times practicing tend to be faster than doing it live for me, as I am trying to push the envelope, I also mess up more in practice. Do remember that Kurt and Benny are godlike shotgun masters and these things take time ! Your times are fast, the cool thing is that they will simply keep on improving with practice BigDave, CCW / Choate shell carrier, belt tray whatever they are called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Payne Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 mike.45 I am assuming you are now using the weak hand reload? If so, what made you switch. Was it faster? easier to do under match pressure? easier to do while moving? I would think with a semi-suto, if you had strong enough wrists, you could actually be loading while you are still shooting if you used the weak hand reloads. I only use a pump because I really like the idea of the "He-man" division. I can tell from posted times that quite a few of you on this board are very "godlike" in their abilities. I would still like to see some video footage of someone really smokin' a reload. It sort of helps you break the mental barriers I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacMan Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK!! Start loading without looking at the port and your times will really decrease... I'm going backward I can break the 5.5 sec loading 8 but only if I look at the loading and concentrate, either while moving or static. The key for me is to stay focus. Good thing about lots of practice - No more Benelli thumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike.45 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Sgt, yep I switched as in my opinion you cant beat the weak hand whilst moving etc - I have been practicing with a pump, for He Man class, and there isnt really that much difference - so stick with it. The secret is the gun in the firing position 100% off the time. I find the harder I look and try, the more I bugger it up, especially if someone is watching ! I sometimes load faster with eyes shut than open ! I guess it varies with each of our personnal psycological makeup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I've run through a couple boxes of shells practicing reloads recently and I'm at about four seconds between shots, loading only three rounds. Based on my port arms start to first shot of under a second, I'm burning a second re-mounting the gun after my reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Payne Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 I will hit it hard again once my thumb heals. I normally only plan to do about 10 - 15 reloads of four each when I practice. But that beep of the timer keeps calling me back for more. Still no video clips of reloads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I load off of a special 8 rd. side saddle 3-gun gear made for me. Avg. loading time for each shell is about 3/4 sec. strong hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike.45 Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 SGT, I am shooting a comp tomorrow, if I get any decent loading footage then I will try and get it posted on the IPSC forum server so it can be watched from there, no promises... M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Payne Posted March 5, 2005 Author Share Posted March 5, 2005 That would be great. Good luck with your shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyH Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 Strong hand for me, with the same side saddle as Benny uses, plus a 6rd. added to the forarm, works best for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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