a468bu Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I picked a new Para Pro Custom 14.45 yesterday. Field stripped it and cleaned and oiled it up. Went to the range and had multiple FTF issues with the gun using 230 gr ball. I could bang on the mag and it would go into battery every time. So I did some researching on the internet last night and seen some people were having the same issues. Some of them had been sent back to Para and they had a pre ramp milled into the lower below the feed ramp on the barrel. So I called Para up today to talk to them about my issues and they did not seem too willing to help me out. He told me on the phone to fully load the magazines and leave them like that for a couple weeks and the issues should go away. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenoShooter Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Seems strange for a Para Pro. It should work out of the box. Not sure why the tech would tell you to do that to the magazines. To me that implies that every time you change a mag spring you're going to have to go through that exercise again. I would call back and get a different tech to see what they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecat Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Is the round is hanging up at the bend from the feed ramp to the chamber? When you are hitting the bottom of the mag, is this lifting the back of the round to allow it to go in the chamber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a468bu Posted June 5, 2015 Author Share Posted June 5, 2015 Seems strange for a Para Pro. It should work out of the box. Not sure why the tech would tell you to do that to the magazines. To me that implies that every time you change a mag spring you're going to have to go through that exercise again. I would call back and get a different tech to see what they say. I tried that 2 more times, Same guy answered phone. So I just hung up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a468bu Posted June 5, 2015 Author Share Posted June 5, 2015 Is the round is hanging up at the bend from the feed ramp to the chamber? When you are hitting the bottom of the mag, is this lifting the back of the round to allow it to go in the chamber? The slide is open about a 1/2 inch when it stops feeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtl Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I picked a new Para Pro Custom 14.45 yesterday. Field stripped it and cleaned and oiled it up. Went to the range and had multiple FTF issues with the gun using 230 gr ball. I could bang on the mag and it would go into battery every time. So I did some researching on the internet last night and seen some people were having the same issues. Some of them had been sent back to Para and they had a pre ramp milled into the lower below the feed ramp on the barrel. So I called Para up today to talk to them about my issues and they did not seem too willing to help me out. He told me on the phone to fully load the magazines and leave them like that for a couple weeks and the issues should go away. What do you guys think? Factory ammo? Can you see anything that might catch the nose of the bullet where it sticks? Does the slide move smoothly/freely by hand without a mag in it? Recoil spring slides smoothly on the guide rod? I doubt you're going to get anything useful from Para/Remington phone support right now. You might just run a couple hundred rounds through it and see if it settles down. At least that way you get to shoot it after fully loading the mags :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a468bu Posted June 5, 2015 Author Share Posted June 5, 2015 I ran over 100 of my hand loads thru it. So I switch over to factory federals which ran much worse. I been reading threads on I think the 1911 site and said Williams gunsights was a factory approved gunsmith for Remington and Para. So I called them up directly. Talked to a gunsmith that laughed at the paras reps response of loading the mags up for a few weeks. He said a # of things that could be the issues and transferred me to his manager the is going to send out a call tag to pick up the firearm. This has not been a good year for me with firearm purchases. I bought a Smith 929 revolver in March that I have had possession of for a total of 6 days since February. Because it's on its 3rd trip back to smith for accuracy issues. First time they replaced barrel. Second time the cylinder. Today I called them since they have had it to over 2 weeks again and they said they are replacing the frame now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a468bu Posted June 5, 2015 Author Share Posted June 5, 2015 So I know last night when I was shooting it would fail loading the first round at times. So today I got some dummy rounds and seeing if I can get it to do that at home and it did. Here are a few pictures. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecat Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 From what people have reported back, Williams seems to have a good handle on getting para's fixed. If it needs a small part or two, para has been terrible about getting factory parts to the service centers. Short of major components just get a high quality part from them and get your gun back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecat Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 That looks like it's hanging at the break angle. Could be extractor tension or polishing the ramp and chamber or both. My buddy's PC 18.9 did the same thing. He had it fixed locally with some polishing and extractor tuning. Now he runs a 10# recoil spring and has 100% reliability. Hopefully it's as simple as that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtl Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 +1 on Williams. I'm guessing Extractor tuning and maybe tune(polish) the bolt face. Looks kind of like it's not slipping behind the extractor as it tries to chamber. Might as well let them take a look. Others have reported good results and a fast turn around from them. Good Luck !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a468bu Posted June 6, 2015 Author Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yes I am hoping that they can correct the issue. I also measured the trigger pull today. 6 1/2 pounds! I read people have 3 1/2 pound pulls from the factory with these pro custom guns. Now I have read that these have EGW hammers in them. Is that 100% correct? What about the sear? I ordered a guncraft trigger for it since this one has a lot of up and down play in it. This is my first 1911 but I am more of a do it yourselfer and would like to do the trigger job myself when I get the gun back and is working 100% I've been reading up a lot. And not sure which direction to go. Smooth up the parts that came with the gun or get the EGW sear and disconnector? I'm assuming their sear would also would have to be polished up on a jig? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barebones1 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I had the exact issue with an older p14. It was extractor tension. Replaced oe with the wilson extractor. I also made the tension adjusting tool from the video. Took 3 tries, running great now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecat Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 A478bu, on a FB group I belong to is an ex para builder that did not move to AL He says the PC's do in fact have EGW hammers. It looks like para ionbonds them. The PC extractors are also EGW. The sears are standard para. When I was setting mine up for 3gun, I went ahead a replaced the sear with an EGW. I was paying for a top notch #2 trigger and didn't want to take any chances on the seat not holding over time and having to pay out again. That being said, my buddy has the same model PC and he had the same 2# trigger done on his with the factory sear and it's running fine. Only time will tell if the factory seat will hold. I got rid of my series 80 parts and put in the shim kit as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockinator Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I picked up a used PC 14.45 and mine already has the Guncraft trigger. Someone has also done a nice job on the trigger as well as it breaks clean at 3.5 pounds and no over travel with little to no take up even still has the series 80 parts. I figured mine must be older but I see it's about 1000 pistols after yours judging by the serial numbers.So far I have seen no feed issues but have not shot it much. Wasn't feeling to good this last weekend so I didn't get any range time with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipper046 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 That looks like it's hanging at the break angle. Could be extractor tension or polishing the ramp and chamber or both. My buddy's PC 18.9 did the same thing. He had it fixed locally with some polishing and extractor tuning. Now he runs a 10# recoil spring and has 100% reliability. Hopefully it's as simple as that! what telecat said...looks like extractor tension is too much and not allowing the round to slip up under the extractor hook...i'd have the extractor re-tensioned and polish up the feed ramp (you can do both of these yourself...not terribly difficult). That might do it...if it still doesn't work you can always send it to the 'smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSComp Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Is the round is hanging up at the bend from the feed ramp to the chamber? When you are hitting the bottom of the mag, is this lifting the back of the round to allow it to go in the chamber?The slide is open about a 1/2 inch when it stops feeding. I was having the same issue with my 16.40 pro custom. It ended up being an improperly adjusted/uninstalled extractor. It was too Loi Loi loose. I increased the tension and wallah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishpinoy27 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 That looks like it's hanging at the break angle. Could be extractor tension or polishing the ramp and chamber or both. My buddy's PC 18.9 did the same thing. He had it fixed locally with some polishing and extractor tuning. Now he runs a 10# recoil spring and has 100% reliability. Hopefully it's as simple as that! same as telecast….can you please strip and show us the claw of the extractor? there is video in Youtube about tuning an extractor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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