Garmil Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 You don't have 6 splits on 6 shots.. the draw tajr the place of the first split. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 You don't have 6 splits on 6 shots.. the draw tajr the place of the first split.Yep, my bad. This is why I shouldn't do math when I'm taking my meds [emoji1] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 OK. So the dream of my one second Bill Drill is crushed. (From surrender anyhow). What is the best ever witnessed from surrender? GNG you need to double you meds until your math improves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) I don't think it's impossible at all. I don't think it's an on demand thing, but limit of human function? Sure. I've seen 50 draws and I've seen 10 splits (and faster). If the individual pieces can be done, it is entirely possible to put them together. The fastest I've ever done is 1.26, but I've seen a 1.15. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited June 3, 2015 by Jake Di Vita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 Wow. Was it a .50 draw from surrender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I guess anything is possible. If the shooter is essentially point shooting, getting gun somewhere between out of the holster but not to eye level, and they can grip the gun such that they are basically bump firing then yeah. Getting a .50 first shot, alot of that is predicting the beep I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I don't find much of a difference in my draw times from surrender to hands at sides, that particular draw was around 70 I think Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 not that it really matters but my surrender draw times are always faster than my hands at sides draws .... couldn't tell you why but it's always been that way for me ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjdaniel78 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I did it in 1.97 during Ben Stoeger's class, once. I normally do 2.4, but I now know I can do a sub 2. I have a goal to be consistent sub 2. Of course I just upgraded guns so it feels like starting over. One second, highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach1soldier Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 First shot is what determines your draw time.... So there would only be 5 shots left to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I guess anything is possible. If the shooter is essentially point shooting, getting gun somewhere between out of the holster but not to eye level, and they can grip the gun such that they are basically bump firing then yeah. Getting a .50 first shot, alot of that is predicting the beep I think. I think it's possible. for starters for me bill drill is not done surrender. el prez? yes. bill drill is hands by sides in my book. you watch some of the so called 'quick draw' artists and trick shooters. they can draw and fire from the hip in under 0.40 of a second. So assuming a 0.40 draw that's 5 0.12 splits (certainly attainable) get right on a second. make one of those splits a 10 instead of a 12 and you've done it. Can you draw, mount the gun properly (2 handed), get a sight picture and fire 6 aimed shots? probably not. most of us would't get to the first shot in 1 second but this is 7 yards, point shooting is quite possible. I used to often shoot what's called service match here (made back the in the day as a match police could shoot with service revolvers). using a my semi-auto I could quite happily put 10 or 11 out of 12 shots in the 10 ring at 7 yards "unsighted" (means pistol must be below shoulder high). Thinking about it I don't believe the 1 sec bill drill is 'impossible'. certainly very difficult and close to the limit but someone could do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Forgot ho much fun this drill can be. Ran a couple after our practice league last night. Best was a 1.85 with a 1.05 draw. Only tried it a few times. I think I can get it to the 1.7s or 1.6s if I really push it but I'm not going to get much faster than that I don't think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I ran a bunch the other day, haven't done one in awhile. I was pushing down in the 1.6 area but always getting one C. Finally got all A's in 1.84 which is pretty decent. So I'll set my par time on this as 1.9. Draw was .95 and .18 splits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) just so everyone is calibrated correctly ... the original Bill Drill was defined as: surrender draw, 7 yds, 6 shots, all As Everyone is free to modify the drill as they please for whatever training purposes you have, just remember, if you are going to quote times for a Bill Drill as a comparision to what you can do versus others it needs to be an actual Bill Drill .... I can 'on command' do an El Pres at 100% without too much difficulty, the problem is this is a 7 yd El Pres. Now I have most of the elements of the classifier version of El Pres exactly as it is defined but not all of them ... the details do indeed matter ... Sorry but this is one of the things that always irks me when people compare shooting capabilities .... Edited June 5, 2015 by Nimitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bockerSV Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I think if I worked on getting the draw under a second I could pull it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 just so everyone is calibrated correctly ... the original Bill Drill was defined as: surrender draw, 7 yds, 6 shots, all As Everyone is free to modify the drill as they please for whatever training purposes you have, just remember, if you are going to quote times for a Bill Drill as a comparision to what you can do versus others it needs to be an actual Bill Drill .... I can 'on command' do an El Pres at 100% without too much difficulty, the problem is this is a 7 yd El Pres. Now I have most of the elements of the classifier version of El Pres exactly as it is defined but not all of them ... the details do indeed matter ... Sorry but this is one of the things that always irks me when people compare shooting capabilities .... Here is "bill" running the drill and everyone drawing from hands at sides... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 that's a nice video but the Bill Drill was invented long before 2012 when this video was shot (the guy talking eludes to this very fact) and in its orginial form it was a surrender draw, 7 yds, 6 shots , all As. in fact if you watch the video closely you can even see the instructor put up his hands in the surrender position as he's desctibing the drill to the shooters and no doubt tell them that this time they will be doing it with hands relaxed at the sides ... nothing wrong with that variation but its not the orginial Bill Drill ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I have to disagree. I don't know about 'original' but ask 10 shooters what the start condition is for a bill drill and I'd say at least 9 would tell you it's loaded, holstered, facing down range, hands loose by sides... Btw the 'guy' in that vid is the credited inventor of the bill drill. Bill Wilson. Hence the name 'bill drill'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Btw Nimitz. The instructor could be describing anything at that point. He could be waving. Are you telling me he described it surrender and then a dozen shooters (including the instructor himself) all forgot and draw hands by sides? Bill Wilson must forget too as he performs it hands by sides. I'm fairly certain you'll find the consensus is hands by sides. El prez? Surrender. Bill drill? Hands by sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I think Max Michel could do it. He has run 3 of them including 2 reloads in less than 5 seconds. A single bill drill in a second should be doable given he only needs the gun above waist height to start firing. This is a great vid btw. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1QhmSg3UjEU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonKC Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I'll be shooting with Mr Wilson in a few weeks. I'll ask him and report back. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnote Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) Btw the 'guy' in that vid is the credited inventor of the bill drill. Bill Wilson. Hence the name 'bill drill'.Funny! 2 guys in video were pretty much original G's along with colonel Cooper Edited July 5, 2015 by cnote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 agreed, wilson and hackathorn are both among the group of fathers of the sport of practical shooting... I was just pointing out that Bill Wilson (of wilson combat) is THE Bill in the term "Bill drill" as it seemed that might have escaped nimitz's attention. If anyone knows what a Bill Drill is it should be Bill Wilson. He clearly explains it hands by sides and demonstrates it the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I think if I worked on getting the draw under a second I could pull it off. But the OP's question was about doing the whole drill in under a second... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I'll be shooting with Mr Wilson in a few weeks. I'll ask him and report back. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Please do and report back. If he has more history on it he wants to share or if he thinks it can be done in under a second, let us know. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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