Onepocket Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Is a one second bill drill at seven yards possible? What the fastest you have witnessed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Is a one second bill drill at seven yards possible? What the fastest you have witnessed? No. The very very VERY edge of human reaction limit is like 140 milliseconds. You add in actually moving your hands, drawing the gun, and shooting takes maybe .3 of second, you are looking at .112 splits to get to a second. And that is with a sub half second draw. Impossible, if I do say so myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunther Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I've seen under 2 seconds, I've got 2.20 from the holster. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 There is a video on you tube I saw 1.11 I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 There is a video on you tube I saw 1.11 I believe. Couple things wrong with that one: Bill drill is supposed to start wrists above shoulders, not hands at sides (not even really relaxed at sides, he is prepping his draw pretty hard). Bill drill only "counts" if it is all alphas, not anywhere on a piece of 18" steel. Not to discredit that run, he is insanely fast on the trigger. But it isn't a real Bill Drill. The video, for those that are wondering: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 given that guys vid I think if you drew and shot it from the hip it may be possible. some guys can shoot those 12 spils that's .60 leaving him .40 to get the gun out and firing. I'd say it's right on the edge but I'm sure with the right gun/holster and PRACTICE someone out there could do a 1 second bill drill. could he do it from surrender? I'd say possible but again shooting it from the hip SHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 I never knew the Bill Drill was wrist above shoulders......... I think T. Butler can do it from the hip, maybe Jerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellM Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I have done a 1.34 from hands at sides. The draw was a .55 which is pushing pretty hard. The splits were a bit slow but this is with a production setup and da first shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 standard production set up i can do a 1.90 with clean hits some of the time. want them just anywhere on the target and i can do a 1.75. but a good, sure clean run for me is right at 2.00 to be consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I may be wrong but I thought I saw Jerry on one of the many shows he is on/has been on do it. I think it was like 1.01 but it was right at a second. I'll have to start looking around again but that's the only time I think I saw something like that. There is the Cowboy shooter, Cisko, who did something like that but he did it in under a second for 5 or 6 balloons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) just so everyone is clear .... a Bill Drill is defined as: 7yds, surrender draw, 6 shots, all As on a standard USPSA paper target... period. all the other stuff posted while cool, are not examples of Bill Drills .... and a 1 sec Bill Drill breaks down to a .5 sec surrender draw followed by five .10 sec splits ..... can't wait to see that video posted ... Edited June 2, 2015 by Nimitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 just so everyone is clear .... a Bill Drill is defined as: 7yds, surrender draw, 6 shots, all As on a standard USPSA paper target... period. all the other stuff posted while cool, are not examples of Bill Drills .... and a 1 sec Bill Drill breaks down to a .5 sec surrender draw followed by five .10 sec splits ..... can't wait to see that video posted ... Where is this definition? I've seen it written either way or where it says either is fine. Here is one example. http://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2012/6/21/bill-drill/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 WOW. I think a .50 draw from surrender would be pretty tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djedi Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Instructor zero can do it in like .75 from concealment....... .85 if he does it during a judo roll. Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTDMFR Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I'm 100% confident I could run a sub-1 second Bill Drill. It just takes a little bit of practice, and a Glock 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 can't wait to see the video .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 i think i could manage it with an AK-47 and a little range time .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 WOW. I think a .50 draw from surrender would be pretty tough. What are you talking about? Aren't you already doing that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTDMFR Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) My absolute personal best is 2.00 clean, on an IDPA target. Not very repeatable at this point. Edited June 2, 2015 by FTDMFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 No mid .5's after a little warm up from relaxed at sides. .5 from surrender is a different animal, especially with a production rig. I will try some next weekend. It's sad, I like pushing times down as much as shooting matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 After doing some research, it looks like Jerry did 8 rounds in a second exactly but that was from low ready. He did 5 shots from low ready in .57 but Ed McGivern (and I think Munden) did it in around .45 (recording equipment in 1932 sucked). But Ed was using a quick draw cowboy holster and a SA revolver, but still - WOW. Even Steve Anderson who is a very speedy shooter does a Bill Drill regularly in 1.43 from a draw. Thinking about it now, getting below 1 second from surrender with all Alphas seems impossible. If you figure a lightning fast .5 draw and .1 splits, that is still 1.10 . You would have to get the splits down to .09, which is just about impossible and a draw around .46, which is also just about impossible. I could see it being very close from hands relaxed, like the guy in the video above, but I doubt below a second within the confines of USPSA equipment and rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 agreed accept for your math ..... .5 sec draw plus 5 .10 sec splits is 1.0 secs .... remember draw time is defined as the time to make the first shot from the holster .... not how long is takes to just get the gun out of the holster .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I repeat what I said, when this thread was first started: No. Show me a person that has a .44 surrender draw to a 7 yard alpha, and can shoot .11 alpha splits (not juet ripping rounds into the berm) or faster on demand, and I might start to think it's possible. Until then, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flack jacket Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Maybe from Shest one..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 agreed accept for your math ..... .5 sec draw plus 5 .10 sec splits is 1.0 secs .... remember draw time is defined as the time to make the first shot from the holster .... not how long is takes to just get the gun out of the holster .... Didn't even you say that a Bill Drill is 6 shots? 6 x .1 = .6 + .5 = 1.10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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