shadoflame Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I cannot come to a decision on what to replace my worn dissipator barrel with. The current barrel does not have enough dwell time for my liking. I am currently reloading my own and am using an adjustable gas block. Also I am using a 1-6x optic, no irons. Does anyone have any feedback on the two? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Which one has the greatest distance from the gas port to the muzzle ??? That is the one with the most dwell time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 The 18" is likely to shoot softer, with better reliability, and give a tad more velocity. How critical do you think the extra 2" of barrel length/weight will be in the kinds of matches you shoot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoflame Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 I'm not sure how effective losing 3 to 4 ounces off the muzzle as well as moving the gas block 1.5 inches closer will be for transitions. Is it noticeable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I am not entirely convinced light weight translates into faster stage times. Yes, you can swing the gun faster, but it is more nervous on target, and when it shoots it is less stable. When I try the same stage with light and heavy guns, the time difference is almost nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsampson Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 It really should depend on where and how you plan to shoot. If you are into more local matches that rarely get out past 200, stick with the short barrel. If you are wanting to go to regional or major matches and/or your local matches frequently go to 300 and beyond, you might want to stick with an 18 inch barrel. Yes, you will hear some people professing to be able to consistently hit itty bitty targets at 500 yards with a 16 inch barrel and 55 grain ammo. Reality is going to some of the matches that have targets out past 250, what you will see consistently perform are the 18 inch barrels. I have both, but 90% of the time shoot the 18. If you use an adjustable gas block and low mass bolt, you can get a 16 inch gun to shoot pretty flat and soft. Not as nice as an 18 with the same setup, but soft enough for quick shots and low splits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explosivewhale Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I enjoy a heavier gun just because when I'm shredding through targets my gun won't be bouncing everywhere. Rifle length is softer too, would go with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 The Stretch 16 and Nordic 18 are almost identical in performance. I have shot both out to 700 yards and if you know your zero, there is no practical difference. The recoil impulse is indistinguishable as well. It really comes down to balance and total weight between the two. If you are big, a 16" might not let your hand get far enough out on a 16" gun whereas the 18" will. I have built guns with every 16" barrel out there to test them and the Stretch 16 really gives you 18" performance in a 2" shorter length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoflame Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 The Stretch 16 and Nordic 18 are almost identical in performance. I have shot both out to 700 yards and if you know your zero, there is no practical difference. The recoil impulse is indistinguishable as well. It really comes down to balance and total weight between the two. If you are big, a 16" might not let your hand get far enough out on a 16" gun whereas the 18" will. I have built guns with every 16" barrel out there to test them and the Stretch 16 really gives you 18" performance in a 2" shorter length. marco, have you tried the odin works 16.1 intermediate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 The Stretch 16 and Nordic 18 are almost identical in performance. I have shot both out to 700 yards and if you know your zero, there is no practical difference. The recoil impulse is indistinguishable as well. It really comes down to balance and total weight between the two. If you are big, a 16" might not let your hand get far enough out on a 16" gun whereas the 18" will. I have built guns with every 16" barrel out there to test them and the Stretch 16 really gives you 18" performance in a 2" shorter length. marco, have you tried the odin works 16.1 intermediate? Yep. Odin copied the Stretch16, just did not do as good of a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I don't know who could tell the difference between a 16 and 18 during a stage if all other parts are the same (stock, handguard, etc.) I have 2 guns which are identical except for the barrel, one is 16 the other is 18 and both are mid-length gas. Both are 100% reliable. My advice is flip a coin, pick one and stick with it. Being used to the gun is more important than having the latest and greatest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 The Stretch 16 and Nordic 18 are almost identical in performance. I have shot both out to 700 yards and if you know your zero, there is no practical difference. The recoil impulse is indistinguishable as well. It really comes down to balance and total weight between the two. If you are big, a 16" might not let your hand get far enough out on a 16" gun whereas the 18" will. I have built guns with every 16" barrel out there to test them and the Stretch 16 really gives you 18" performance in a 2" shorter length. marco, have you tried the odin works 16.1 intermediate? Yep. Odin copied the Stretch16, just did not do as good of a job. How is the stretch 16 better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Softer, more accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullittmcqueen Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 The Stretch 16 and Nordic 18 are almost identical in performance. I have shot both out to 700 yards and if you know your zero, there is no practical difference. The recoil impulse is indistinguishable as well. It really comes down to balance and total weight between the two. If you are big, a 16" might not let your hand get far enough out on a 16" gun whereas the 18" will. I have built guns with every 16" barrel out there to test them and the Stretch 16 really gives you 18" performance in a 2" shorter length. marco, have you tried the odin works 16.1 intermediate? Yep. Odin copied the Stretch16, just did not do as good of a job. How is the stretch 16 better? For one thing, the gas port is proper size to allow reliable function, it is hand lapped by McGowen, and is more accurate. The Odin is none of those because they copied the Stretch. I own both, have shot both extensively, and now all I use in competition is the Stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Just a point of clarification, the Odin is an attempt at a copy, it is not a duplication of the Stretch16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoflame Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) I won't be shooting past 200 often. I'm leaning towards a 16" barrel.do both the odin and stretch barrels still shoot sub moa? Edited May 27, 2015 by shadoflame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93notch Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 i was going to go with a stretch 16 but could not find anyone that had one in stock. So i went with the nordic 18 inch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I guess I told too many people. They are supposed to be in stock by the end of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 So Mark, at this point would you choose the stretch over an 18" Nordic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I have both built up in my own guns right now. For RM3G, I will probably shoot the 18" Nordic with the XTRII 1-5. For Noveske, I will shoot the 16" Stretch with the MTAC 1-4, so i guess I do not have to choose. The trade-offs are minimal for me and honestly, for a 50% male 3Gunner, I might say the 18" Nordic would be my suggestion. The benefits of the hits on rifle from 300 yards on out would likely be better than the small gains due to faster transitions. 50% shooters just do not transition as fast regardless of the weight. For someone smaller in stature or for short berm match type shooting, I might say the Stretch16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 What is a 50% male 3Gunner Mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) Thanks for making the point about skill levels. I'll admit to being one of those 50% or so guys. edited to add.. LOL Tony, apparently me! Edited May 28, 2015 by Neomet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsampson Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Here I was thinking it was a barrel for short guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 What is a 50% male 3Gunner Mark? Not derogatory at all. It is the largest group of 3Gunners. The 30-60 year old male 3Gunners who have major match scores that are about 50% of the match winner. That makes up about half of the normal major. They represent the backbone of the sport IMHO. Maybe shoot 1-4 majors a year, a few local matches and just love the sport. I see many people buy the gear that "Pro Shooter XYZ" is using and in many cases, it is detrimental to their scoresheet. Either because they spend too much on gear and can not afford any practice ammo, or because it is literally too twitchy for them. I take new folks out and let them try my guns often. The lightweight gear is almost always harder for them to shoot than the heavier gear. My 13 year old, who with the pistol is doing very well, shoots the 30% heavier Ruger MarkII better than the 22/45 Lite with a VQ trigger. As his skills develop, he is closing the gap and by this time next year, I think it will have flipped for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Thanks Mark, that explains it. Here I thought maybe Bruce Jenner was shooting 3 gun now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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