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I've been shooting Blue Bullet 125 gr rn over 3.8gr of Titegroup in my M&P 5inch 9.

I recently chrono'd them and was getting 131PF. At the Blue Bullets SC championship the same load chrono'd at 134 PF. Different weather, different chrono.

My test loads using Hornady HAP 125gr only gave me 121PF from the same pistol, same load.

For 3gun I'm testing 3.2gr of Titegroup with 125gr Bayou Bullets. Seems to shoot notably softer but I haven't had a chance to chrono them yet.

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2.8 of Clays with a lead 147 at 1.14 is hilariously light. It doesn't make PF but the recoil is nice.

What was your PF with this load?

After my e3 runs out in about 6k rounds, I'm was going to switch to Clay Dot. From all the threads online, I extrapolated that 2.9-3.0gr should make minor with a 147 Xtreme.

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2.8 of Clays with a lead 147 at 1.14 is hilariously light. It doesn't make PF but the recoil is nice.

What was your PF with this load?

After my e3 runs out in about 6k rounds, I'm was going to switch to Clay Dot. From all the threads online, I extrapolated that 2.9-3.0gr should make minor with a 147 Xtreme.

It was at about 800 fps, so 117 PF out of my M&P. CZ results may vary, plated results may vary. I might try more with coated.

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2.8 of Clays with a lead 147 at 1.14 is hilariously light. It doesn't make PF but the recoil is nice.

What was your PF with this load?

After my e3 runs out in about 6k rounds, I'm was going to switch to Clay Dot. From all the threads online, I extrapolated that 2.9-3.0gr should make minor with a 147 Xtreme.

It was at about 800 fps, so 117 PF out of my M&P. CZ results may vary, plated results may vary. I might try more with coated.

What length barrel on your M&P?

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What is everyone using for recoil springs on their light 147 loads? I just bought non captured guide rod for my m&p. Bought a 13lb and an 11lb. Spring. Figured the 13 may be good for my 124 and the 11 for 147. I haven't had a chance to get to the range with them. Anyone have thoughts?

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I happened on some VV N320. One previous post suggested 3.0-3.5gr for the 147. Good range to work in?

I recently ran a ladder with an XTreme 147gr RN-HPCB and N320.

OAL is 1.16. Pistol is a CZ75 ShadowLine:

3.4gr Avg fps - 866 | Avg PF - 127 | SD - 15 | ES - 40

3.5gr Avg fps - 895 | Avg PF - 132 | SD - 7 | ES - 22

3.6gr Avg fps - 910 | Avg PF - 134 | SD - 6 | ES - 18

3.7gr Avg fps - 924 | Avg PF - 136 | SD - 10 | ES - 33

Also ran 10 of the 3.7gr over the chrono through my HK VP9:

3.7gr Avg fps - 919 | Avg PF - 135 | SD - 5 | ES - 15

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I happened on some VV N320. One previous post suggested 3.0-3.5gr for the 147. Good range to work in?

I recently ran a ladder with an XTreme 147gr RN-HPCB and N320.

OAL is 1.16. Pistol is a CZ75 ShadowLine:

3.4gr Avg fps - 866 | Avg PF - 127 | SD - 15 | ES - 40

3.5gr Avg fps - 895 | Avg PF - 132 | SD - 7 | ES - 22

3.6gr Avg fps - 910 | Avg PF - 134 | SD - 6 | ES - 18

3.7gr Avg fps - 924 | Avg PF - 136 | SD - 10 | ES - 33

Also ran 10 of the 3.7gr over the chrono through my HK VP9:

3.7gr Avg fps - 919 | Avg PF - 135 | SD - 5 | ES - 15

Excellent info!!! Seems like the 3.6gr area is the sweet spot for you.

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What is everyone using for recoil springs on their light 147 loads? I just bought non captured guide rod for my m&p. Bought a 13lb and an 11lb. Spring. Figured the 13 may be good for my 124 and the 11 for 147. I haven't had a chance to get to the range with them. Anyone have thoughts?

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15. 13 had ludicrously unreliable ignition. I don't recommend it unless you want to roll with only crushed Federals, which I don't enjoy.

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Thermo,

I run an m&p pro and use the 13 with my 124 loads and the 11 with my 147 loads. Recoil is much better with both than the stock and I've had no issues with my cci primered hand loads.

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I happened on some VV N320. One previous post suggested 3.0-3.5gr for the 147. Good range to work in?

I recently ran a ladder with an XTreme 147gr RN-HPCB and N320.

OAL is 1.16. Pistol is a CZ75 ShadowLine:

3.4gr Avg fps - 866 | Avg PF - 127 | SD - 15 | ES - 40

3.5gr Avg fps - 895 | Avg PF - 132 | SD - 7 | ES - 22

3.6gr Avg fps - 910 | Avg PF - 134 | SD - 6 | ES - 18

3.7gr Avg fps - 924 | Avg PF - 136 | SD - 10 | ES - 33

Also ran 10 of the 3.7gr over the chrono through my HK VP9:

3.7gr Avg fps - 919 | Avg PF - 135 | SD - 5 | ES - 15

Excellent info!!! Seems like the 3.6gr area is the sweet spot for you.

I'm the guy that likes his 147 grainers in the PF136/137 range. I'm actually thinking of going to 3.8 to see if I like it there. ;)

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Thermo,

I run an m&p pro and use the 13 with my 124 loads and the 11 with my 147 loads. Recoil is much better with both than the stock and I've had no issues with my cci primered hand loads.

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With what else done to it aside from the recoil spring? 13 was pretty gross but people are supposed to be able to make it work with a lightened striker spring and/or slide.

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Thermo,

I run an m&p pro and use the 13 with my 124 loads and the 11 with my 147 loads. Recoil is much better with both than the stock and I've had no issues with my cci primered hand loads.

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With what else done to it aside from the recoil spring? 13 was pretty gross but people are supposed to be able to make it work with a lightened striker spring and/or slide.

I have the apex comp kit installed which includes the competition striker spring.

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The softest load I can find to make pf with that bullet is 3.0 clay dot @ 1.15

I'm guessing from your avatar that you're shooting it in a CZ?

Did you have to ream your barrel?

No one needs to ream their barrel with a CZ. Some choose to. With the stock chamber, you can safely develop loads for 99% of the bullets out there.

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The softest load I can find to make pf with that bullet is 3.0 clay dot @ 1.15

I'm guessing from your avatar that you're shooting it in a CZ?

Did you have to ream your barrel?

No one needs to ream their barrel with a CZ. Some choose to. With the stock chamber, you can safely develop loads for 99% of the bullets out there.

Yeah I get that. My question is if he had to ream to run an xtreme 147 at 1.150".

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My SP-01 will also load out to 1.18 with the Xtreme 147 and 165. But beware that at this length you run a chance of accidentally activating the slide stop, locking the slide to the rear. Ask me how I know :angry2: . This is the reason that many people will ream the barrel and reshape the slide lock to accept long loaded ammo.

My load data

Xtreme 147 .357

Titegroup 3.21 grain

1.145 OAL

federal 100 SPP

average velocity- 884

es-58

sd-17

power factor-130

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I used to use power pistol but it was loud, flashy, and dirty. Also the recoil was terrible (compared to clays, claydot, and even tite group). When used at the lower end of the powder charge I used to get unburned powder flakes on my hands and forearms. But this was years ago so maybe something changed.

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