jeremy kemlo Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I have 2.5 guns worth of stuff and trying to figure out what I could put together to make a good 3gun ar. I have a complete upper-flat top, with a stag 16' m4 barrel, carbine length gas, carbine length houge hand guard (too short), mikulek comp and a reg bolt. The other upper is a dpms flat top with a 16'' light barrel, carbine lenght gas, glacier handguard, and regular bolt. I have two lowers that both have cheap lpks installed. I also have a 15'' sampson evolution handguard( I like this one), extra miculek comp, a cmmg lpk. warren mount, peper mount and a millet 1-4 So what would be the best combo of parts? We shoot out to 350 yards. Should I use one of these barrels or get a 16'' mid gas, or 18'' rifle gas barrel? Is there a cheap solution to get a better trigger without paying too much. How much better is a light weight bolt-if so which one is good for the price? I would love to get a stretch 16 barrel or a nordic 18 but i dont want to spend the money if I dont have to. At the same time I want something that will work well.I am willing to sell parts and buy different parts but could use some help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullittmcqueen Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 (edited) If it were me, I would sell the barrels and other various parts you have there, keep the flat top upper, the Samson Evolution, and one of the JM brakes; and use the money acquired to get the barrel of your choice. You would be in the ballpark and you'll be much happier with one of the two barrels versus those carbine barrels. The Warne mount and the Millet will be great as a starter. Not that they won't do the job, but in the near future you would be looking to upgrade. Ask me how I know. Edited April 28, 2015 by Bullittmcqueen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy kemlo Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 (edited) Is there a cheaper barrel than the Stretch 16 or Nordic 18 that would do the job as well? Edited April 28, 2015 by jeremy kemlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael1778 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 The Nordic 18" is $269 from the web site. That's cheaper than the Stretch 16 by a good margin. [side note for biases: I have a 16" Nordic from 3 years ago that is a sweet shooter, so I'm a bit of a fan. However, I may be building a new 16" upper using the Stretch 16 once it comes back in stock]] I've seen some great builds and watched good shooters with the Nordic 18" barrel. Once recent build is here: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=204061 I encourage you to read the whole thread as well as enjoy the final and modified build photos embedded. From my understanding, you can even save a little money on the total build with a Nordic since it is a soft shooter with a fixed gas block. Saves you a few bucks on an adjustable block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Donald Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 The Nordic 18" is $269 from the web site. That's cheaper than the Stretch 16 by a good margin. [side note for biases: I have a 16" Nordic from 3 years ago that is a sweet shooter, so I'm a bit of a fan. However, I may be building a new 16" upper using the Stretch 16 once it comes back in stock]] I've seen some great builds and watched good shooters with the Nordic 18" barrel. Once recent build is here: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=204061 I encourage you to read the whole thread as well as enjoy the final and modified build photos embedded. From my understanding, you can even save a little money on the total build with a Nordic since it is a soft shooter with a fixed gas block. Saves you a few bucks on an adjustable block. Just looked at the Stretch 16, price is not bad considering it includes the gas block and tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael1778 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 The Nordic 18" is $269 from the web site. That's cheaper than the Stretch 16 by a good margin. [side note for biases: I have a 16" Nordic from 3 years ago that is a sweet shooter, so I'm a bit of a fan. However, I may be building a new 16" upper using the Stretch 16 once it comes back in stock]] I've seen some great builds and watched good shooters with the Nordic 18" barrel. Once recent build is here: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=204061 I encourage you to read the whole thread as well as enjoy the final and modified build photos embedded. From my understanding, you can even save a little money on the total build with a Nordic since it is a soft shooter with a fixed gas block. Saves you a few bucks on an adjustable block. Just looked at the Stretch 16, price is not bad considering it includes the gas block and tube. Agreed, in principle. It's a reasonable package deal. However, recent comments here (BE forum) in other threads have pointed to only moderate satisfaction with the provided gas block, so I'm not sure how to assign value to it. Even with that, I'm personally considering buying such a barrel. I'm strongly leaning that way because I'm fed up with the weight distribution of my current configuration. I may opt for a Stretch 16 purchase with only the gas tube accessory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgj3 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) OP- You can easily get started with what you have on hand. Use the lightweight barrel upper and put the Samson handguard (may need a lo-pro gas block) on it with one of the Miculek comps. Add your scope and mount(probably the Warne) and go zero it and start shooting. Sell some of the other stuff to fund a nice trigger first. Keep shooting that until you think its truly holding you back. Edited April 29, 2015 by wgj3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdcguns Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 A set of yellow JP trigger springs can greatly improve some mil spec triggers. They won't help with the length or grittiness, but the lightened pull weight makes it feel a lot better for about $15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 If your grip screw hole is threaded all the way through you can use a set screw to remove pretravel. If not get one of these. That coupled with the JP yellow springs and the hammer tail cut off to look like As JP speed hammer works pretty well with a GI trigger and is a big improvement over stock. Another option is send it off and let bill Springfield work it over. Is it as good as a 200-250 dollar trigger no but it's a lot cheaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael1778 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 A set of yellow JP trigger springs can greatly improve some mil spec triggers. They won't help with the length or grittiness, but the lightened pull weight makes it feel a lot better for about $15. I agree!! I did this with my S&W M&P15 Sport (of all things). Fortunately, unlike the M&P pistols, that rifle trigger was smooth but heavy. Fairly crisp break, too. So, in my case using JP springs was an easy & cheap trigger upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdschappell Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Take a look at Faxon barrels... I recently bought one at an extremely affordable price and it shoots very well. Honestly though, It looks like you have everything you need right now to get started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Is there a cheaper barrel than the Stretch 16 or Nordic 18 that would do the job as well? Nope. You can spend more for close to the same performance, but when you drop off in price, the performance goes away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy kemlo Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) A set of yellow JP trigger springs can greatly improve some mil spec triggers. They won't help with the length or grittiness, but the lightened pull weight makes it feel a lot better for about $15. Thanks I will give that a try. Edited April 29, 2015 by jeremy kemlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 A set of yellow JP trigger springs can greatly improve some mil spec triggers. They won't help with the length or grittiness, but the lightened pull weight makes it feel a lot better for about $15. Thanks I will give that a try. Actually, I think the Wolff spring kit is better for stock triggers: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/521191/wolff-trigger-improvement-spring-pack-ar-15-reduced-power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy kemlo Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 Thanks for the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy kemlo Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 I am gong to need a low pro gas block to use the evolution hand guard. What works well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy kemlo Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 If I decide to go with a stretch 16 or a nordic 18 what would be the advantage of one over the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Weight and velocity are the main differences. Newer shooters will do better with a little more velocity and weight on the longer targets. Better shooters will shoot the shorter lighter barrel faster on close stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FowlShot Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 You'd be hard pressed to find any better advice than from MarkCO. He knows what he's talking about. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishsticks Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Weight and velocity are the main differences. Newer shooters will do better with a little more velocity and weight on the longer targets. Better shooters will shoot the shorter lighter barrel faster on close stuff. Also heed the advice of Patrick Kelley -- "pick one and practice". My guess from the middle of the pack is that most folks won't be able to tell enough of a difference to spend a lot of time agonizing over the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyblueballs Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 It seems that moving is big part of 3-gun, thus if you have a light barrel and a good comp you'll be able to get on target quicker. The trade off is the longer shots...I don't know the accuracy or twist of your barrels. What I'd concentrate (in terms of time and money) on is practice, trigger, and shifting optics (iron, red dot, 3xscope, ~14x scope) from near-far targets. But what do I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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