pbcaster45 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) Finally got out to the range to chronograph a few loads I've been working on for my 5-inch Edge. I haven't seen any Titegroup in a long time but picked up 1 pound last week. I really like how soft Titegroup feels, hope I can find some more! Bullet: Blue Bullets 180 gr. FP Powder: Winchester WST 4.5 grs. Primer: Remington 5 ½ Case: Remington LOAL: 1.180 Avg. Vel.: 945.94 fps ES: 14.41 SD: 4.89 Recoil Spring: Dawson tool-less guide rod, 12 lb. Recoil Spring and Buffer Pad. Comments: 170 PF Bullet: Bullet Works 180 gr. RNFP Plated Powder: Powder: Winchester WST 4.3 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Federal LOAL: 1.180 Avg. Vel.: 837.86 fps ES: 47.10 SD: 16.24 Recoil Spring: 12 lbs. (with buffer) Comments: 150 PF Bullet: Bullet Works 180 gr. RNFP Plated Powder: Winchester WST 4.5 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Federal LOAL: 1.180 Avg. Vel.: 888.42 fps ES: 36.76 SD: 12.96 Recoil Spring: 12 lbs. (with buffer) Comments: 159 PF Bullet: Hornady 180 gr. XTP-HP Powder: Hodgdon Titegroup 4.8 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Federal LOAL: 1.180 Avg. Vel.: 966.62 fps ES: 20.22 SD: 7.00 Recoil Spring: 12 lbs. (with buffer) Comments: 173 PF Bullet: Bullet Works 180 gr. RNFP Plated Powder: Hodgdon Titegroup 4.8 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Federal LOAL: 1.180 Avg. Vel.: 943.97 fps ES: 36.25 SD: 10.34 Recoil Spring: 12 lbs. (with buffer) Comments: 169 PF Edited April 27, 2015 by pbcaster45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbcaster45 Posted July 22, 2015 Author Share Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Finally got around to trying the no lube groove version of The Blue Bullets 180 gr. RNFP. I like the profile of the new version much better. No time to chronograph my load but I estimate I'm getting around 900 fps. Bullet: Blue Bullets 180 gr. FP (new version without lube groove) Powder: Winchester WST 4.2 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Remington LOAL: 1.190 Recoil Spring: Dawson tool-less guide rod, 12 lb. Recoil Spring and Aluma Buffer Pad. Edited July 22, 2015 by pbcaster45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1911 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I used to use TG than a GM friend of mine(he is on svi's team and is a phenomenal shooter)got me to try longshot and was surprised at how much softer my edge shot at the same PF.And longshot is easier to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbcaster45 Posted July 23, 2015 Author Share Posted July 23, 2015 I've been wanting to give Longshot a try... just can't find any! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbcaster45 Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share Posted August 4, 2015 (edited) Two new loads with the goal of lower recoil. Shooting the Edge with minor pf loads sure is a lot more fun! The more I use WST the better I like it! It's less snappy than Titegroup and leaves less soot on fired cases... Bullet: X-Treme 155 gr. RNFP Plated Powder: Winchester WST 4.5 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Winchester LOAL: 1.160 Recoil Spring: Tool-less guide rod, 12 lb. Recoil Spring & Aluma Buffer Pad Bullet: Rainier 165 gr. FN Plated Powder: Winchester WST 4.5 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Winchester LOAL: 1.180 Recoil Spring: Tool-less guide rod, 12 lb. Recoil Spring & Aluma Buffer Pad Edited August 5, 2015 by pbcaster45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Finally got around to trying the no lube groove version of The Blue Bullets 180 gr. RNFP. I like the profile of the new version much better. No time to chronograph my load but I estimate I'm getting around 900 fps. Bullet: Blue Bullets 180 gr. FP (new version without lube groove) Powder: Winchester WST 4.2 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Remington LOAL: 1.190 Recoil Spring: Dawson tool-less guide rod, 12 lb. Recoil Spring and Aluma Buffer Pad. Have you grouped them side by side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbcaster45 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Base on my shooting so far - no difference in accuracy! The main reason I switched was because of the tendency of my STI Magazines to gauge grooves in my cases when using the lube groove version. The lube groove version works just fine in Glocks - I'm shooting up my remaining old version bullets in my Glock 35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbcaster45 Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share Posted October 5, 2015 Thought I'd post my major load using WST, forgot to post it earlier. Bullet: Bullet Works 180 gr. RNFP Plated Powder: Winchester WST 5.0 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Winchester LOAL: 1.200 Avg. Vel.: 959.61 fps ES: 42.27 SD: 13.89 PF: 172 Recoil Spring: Tool-less guide rod, 14 lb. Recoil Spring & Aluma Buffer Pad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJE Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Thought I'd post my major load using WST, forgot to post it earlier. Bullet: Bullet Works 180 gr. RNFP Plated Powder: Winchester WST 5.0 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Winchester LOAL: 1.200 Avg. Vel.: 959.61 fps ES: 42.27 SD: 13.89 PF: 172 Recoil Spring: Tool-less guide rod, 14 lb. Recoil Spring & Aluma Buffer Pad Does your edge work okay with a 1.200 OAL? My buddy just bought one and I'm going to help him get started in loading. I got on here expecting most people to be loading long... I load 1.135" for .40 in my Glocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G T Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I use very close to the same load. 180gr rn fp 4.9 wst 1.235 oal. In my SV 2011. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbcaster45 Posted October 6, 2015 Author Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) AJE, Yes, 1.200 is the longest I've loaded in my Edge but it works great! Since I have to load shorter in my Glocks I use WSF (for major). I've been working up to major in my Glock 35 with WST and 180 gr. Blue Bullets but I just haven't gotten there yet. Edited October 6, 2015 by pbcaster45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mont1120 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I really like the WST in .40 for both the 165 and 180 grain loads, but I can't stress enough the velocity loss when it gets hot. My .45 loads ran at lease 50 -75 FPS slower when the temps hit the 90's and above. My .45 would have gone minor at a big USPSA match in UT this summer had I not prepared for the loss in PF. When it gets real hot I go to WSF or 231. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbcaster45 Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 Well, I like all the bullets I've used above but after this weekend I'm starting to lean towards Blue Bullets. Maybe I was just having a really good day but I couldn't seem to miss with my load using 4.2 grs. WST! Guess I'll be sticking with 4.2 grs. for practice and 4.5 for major - color me Blue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbcaster45 Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) I didn't have enough Titegroup before to do much experimenting - but now I've got 5 lbs. I've been working on a minor load for fun shooting and these two are pretty good. WST doesn't burn as clean at lower pressure so in this case I prefer Titegroup. Gun barely moved, very flat shooting. Love those Blue Bullets! Nearly zero smoke, no leading and accuracy is actually better than plated, would never have believed it... No chance to do any chronograph work, horrible weather this week. Bullet: Blue Bullets 180 gr. FP (new version without lube groove) Powder: Hodgdon Titegroup 3.6 grs Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Remington LOAL: 1.190 Recoil Spring: Dawson tool-less guide rod, 10 lb. Recoil Spring and Aluma Buffer Pad. Comments: Testing with lighter recoil spring. BIG DIFFERENCE with lighter recoil spring, much softer shooting! Very accurate load! Cleaner burning than WST at these lower pressures. Bullet: Blue Bullets 180 gr. FP (new version without lube groove) Powder: Winchester WST 3.7 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Mixed Federal (2 Dot) and Remington LOAL: 1.190 Recoil Spring: Dawson tool-less guide rod, 10 lb. Recoil Spring and Aluma Buffer Pad. Comments: Just as accurate at Titegroup but getting more powder residue. Edited December 28, 2015 by pbcaster45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) I had a 17 lb mainspring and a 10 lb recoil in my Edge .40, Zane from STI Saud 12 lb was the minimum I should use, he said the slide will smash into the frame with a 10 lb spring. I use an 11 lb in my DVC. 40 He told me not to use a Buffer. Edited December 28, 2015 by bret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbcaster45 Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 The loads I use with the 10 lb. recoil spring are pretty mild. I haven't seen any downside to using the aluminum buffers from Dawson - at least in the .38 Super and 40 S&W. I've quit using them in my .45s though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbcaster45 Posted February 1, 2016 Author Share Posted February 1, 2016 (edited) The weather was pretty good today for January (60°) so I managed to chronograph a couple of loads I've been testing. I'm out of WST but have quite a bit of Titegroup. Tried some Ramshot Zip too - didn't make major but I like it! Bullet: Blue Bullets 180 gr. FP Powder: Hodgdon Titegroup 4.3 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Remington LOAL: 1.190 Avg. Vel.: 934.40 fps ES: 26.35 SD: 8.48 PF: 168 Recoil Spring: Dawson tool-less guide rod, 14 lb. Recoil Spring and Buffer Pad. Bullet: Blue Bullets 180 gr. FP Powder: Ramshot Zip 4.6 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Remington LOAL: 1.190 Avg. Vel.: 872.05 fps ES: 32.73 SD: 11.87 PF: 156.9 Recoil Spring: Dawson tool-less guide rod, 14 lb. Recoil Spring and Buffer Pad. Edited February 1, 2016 by pbcaster45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbcaster45 Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 Did some more testing today with Ramshot Zip. Just not feeling the love, much higher ES & SD readings compared to WST and Titegroup (at least with PC and Plated). Really like the feel of the 200 gr. load with Titegroup, nice and soft! I'd like at little more PF but it's close (might try 4.3 grs. of Titegroup next time). Bullet: Rainier 180 gr. FN Plated Powder: Ramshot Zip 4.6 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Remington LOAL: 1.180 Avg. Vel.: 828.75 fps ES: 89.35 SD: 32.04 PF: 149 Recoil Spring: Tool-less guide rod, 14 lb. Recoil Spring & Aluma Buffer Pad Bullet: Rainier 180 gr. FN Plated Powder: Ramshot Zip 5.2 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Remington LOAL: 1.180 Avg. Vel.: 972.97 fps ES: 81.06 SD: 23.47 PF: 175 Recoil Spring: Tool-less guide rod, 14 lb. Recoil Spring & Aluma Buffer Pad Bullet: X-Treme 200 gr. RNFP Plated Powder: Hodgdon Titegroup 4.0 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Remington LOAL: 1.180 Avg. Vel.: 839.21 fps ES: 35.24 SD: 11.61 PF: 167 Recoil Spring: Tool-less guide rod, 14 lb. Recoil Spring & Aluma Buffer Pad Comments: Thanks to Scott Garthee (jsg) for the load information using Titegroup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbcaster45 Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Tried getting my PF up around 170 today and went a little too far... Accurate, but more recoil than I wanted! Probably should have used 4.1 grs. Titegroup instead of 4.3! Bullet: X-Treme 200 gr. RNFP Plated Powder: Hodgdon Titegroup 4.3 grs. Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Case: Winchester LOAL: 1.180 Avg. Vel.: 889.67 fps ES: 38.07 SD: 12.40 PF: 178 Recoil Spring: Tool-less guide rod, 14 lb. Recoil Spring & Aluma Buffer Pad Edited February 21, 2016 by pbcaster45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbcaster45 Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) Well, I tried N320 in my Edge tonight and it looks like it lives up to the hype. Very accurate, clean burning and soft! Quite a bit less soot around the chamber area compared to Titegroup. I'd still rather use WST (cheaper) but I'm out! Really starting to get off my original thread topic too! Will post some chronograph results if the weather permits. Edited March 10, 2016 by pbcaster45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinm Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I love my blue bullets! ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeEB Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 PBCaster, what was your 320 load?My current load is xtreme 180 rnfp 1.18 4.7gr TG ~950 fps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbcaster45 Posted April 1, 2016 Author Share Posted April 1, 2016 (edited) @DukeEB, LOL! The exact same load you're using except I'm using a Ranier 180 gr. FN. I didn't want to post my load until I'd checked the velocity but it's been tough getting to the range. Meant to go last Sunday but the big wildfires up near Alva, Oklahoma had my buddies worried about our deer hunting trailer. I was the only one who didn't need a kitchen pass - so I went up to check it out. Not good... Edited April 1, 2016 by pbcaster45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeEB Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 @pbcaster45 Oh man, sorry to hear about your trailer! At least you weren't in it at the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokecloud Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I like WST for light to medium loads, but prefer the WSF for Major, it runs quite a bit lower PSI at 169 than WST. It shoots very soft compared to TG. I have run the WSF in light to medium loads and it shoots fine, but at lower velocities, I see larger variances in velocity, it seems to like being run hotter out of my guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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