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STI Edge with WST & Titegroup


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Finally got out to the range to chronograph a few loads I've been working on for my 5-inch Edge. I haven't seen any Titegroup in a long time but picked up 1 pound last week. I really like how soft Titegroup feels, hope I can find some more!

Bullet: Blue Bullets 180 gr. FP

Powder: Winchester WST 4.5 grs.

Primer: Remington 5 ½

Case: Remington

LOAL: 1.180

Avg. Vel.: 945.94 fps

ES: 14.41

SD: 4.89

Recoil Spring: Dawson tool-less guide rod, 12 lb. Recoil Spring and Buffer Pad.

Comments: 170 PF

Bullet: Bullet Works 180 gr. RNFP Plated

Powder: Powder: Winchester WST 4.3 grs.

Primer: Winchester Small Pistol

Case: Federal

LOAL: 1.180

Avg. Vel.: 837.86 fps

ES: 47.10

SD: 16.24

Recoil Spring: 12 lbs. (with buffer)

Comments: 150 PF

Bullet: Bullet Works 180 gr. RNFP Plated

Powder: Winchester WST 4.5 grs.

Primer: Winchester Small Pistol

Case: Federal

LOAL: 1.180

Avg. Vel.: 888.42 fps

ES: 36.76

SD: 12.96

Recoil Spring: 12 lbs. (with buffer)

Comments: 159 PF

Bullet: Hornady 180 gr. XTP-HP

Powder: Hodgdon Titegroup 4.8 grs.

Primer: Winchester Small Pistol

Case: Federal

LOAL: 1.180

Avg. Vel.: 966.62 fps

ES: 20.22

SD: 7.00

Recoil Spring: 12 lbs. (with buffer)

Comments: 173 PF

Bullet: Bullet Works 180 gr. RNFP Plated

Powder: Hodgdon Titegroup 4.8 grs.

Primer: Winchester Small Pistol

Case: Federal

LOAL: 1.180

Avg. Vel.: 943.97 fps

ES: 36.25

SD: 10.34

Recoil Spring: 12 lbs. (with buffer)

Comments: 169 PF

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  • 2 months later...

Finally got around to trying the no lube groove version of The Blue Bullets 180 gr. RNFP. I like the profile of the new version much better. No time to chronograph my load but I estimate I'm getting around 900 fps.

Bullet: Blue Bullets 180 gr. FP (new version without lube groove)
Powder: Winchester WST 4.2 grs.
Primer: Winchester Small Pistol
Case: Remington
LOAL: 1.190
Recoil Spring: Dawson tool-less guide rod, 12 lb. Recoil Spring and Aluma Buffer Pad.
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  • 2 weeks later...

Two new loads with the goal of lower recoil. Shooting the Edge with minor pf loads sure is a lot more fun!

The more I use WST the better I like it! It's less snappy than Titegroup and leaves less soot on fired cases...

Bullet: X-Treme 155 gr. RNFP Plated
Powder: Winchester WST 4.5 grs.
Primer: Winchester Small Pistol
Case: Winchester
LOAL: 1.160
Recoil Spring: Tool-less guide rod, 12 lb. Recoil Spring & Aluma Buffer Pad
Bullet: Rainier 165 gr. FN Plated
Powder: Winchester WST 4.5 grs.
Primer: Winchester Small Pistol
Case: Winchester
LOAL: 1.180
Recoil Spring: Tool-less guide rod, 12 lb. Recoil Spring & Aluma Buffer Pad
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Finally got around to trying the no lube groove version of The Blue Bullets 180 gr. RNFP. I like the profile of the new version much better. No time to chronograph my load but I estimate I'm getting around 900 fps.

Bullet: Blue Bullets 180 gr. FP (new version without lube groove)
Powder: Winchester WST 4.2 grs.
Primer: Winchester Small Pistol
Case: Remington
LOAL: 1.190
Recoil Spring: Dawson tool-less guide rod, 12 lb. Recoil Spring and Aluma Buffer Pad.
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Have you grouped them side by side?

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Base on my shooting so far - no difference in accuracy! The main reason I switched was because of the tendency of my STI Magazines to gauge grooves in my cases when using the lube groove version.

The lube groove version works just fine in Glocks - I'm shooting up my remaining old version bullets in my Glock 35.

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Thought I'd post my major load using WST, forgot to post it earlier.

Bullet: Bullet Works 180 gr. RNFP Plated
Powder: Winchester WST 5.0 grs.
Primer: Winchester Small Pistol
Case: Winchester
LOAL: 1.200
Avg. Vel.: 959.61 fps
ES: 42.27
SD: 13.89
PF: 172
Recoil Spring: Tool-less guide rod, 14 lb. Recoil Spring & Aluma Buffer Pad
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Thought I'd post my major load using WST, forgot to post it earlier.

Bullet: Bullet Works 180 gr. RNFP Plated
Powder: Winchester WST 5.0 grs.
Primer: Winchester Small Pistol
Case: Winchester
LOAL: 1.200
Avg. Vel.: 959.61 fps
ES: 42.27
SD: 13.89
PF: 172
Recoil Spring: Tool-less guide rod, 14 lb. Recoil Spring & Aluma Buffer Pad

Does your edge work okay with a 1.200 OAL?

My buddy just bought one and I'm going to help him get started in loading. I got on here expecting most people to be loading long... I load 1.135" for .40 in my Glocks.

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AJE,

Yes, 1.200 is the longest I've loaded in my Edge but it works great! Since I have to load shorter in my Glocks I use WSF (for major). I've been working up to major in my Glock 35 with WST and 180 gr. Blue Bullets but I just haven't gotten there yet.

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I really like the WST in .40 for both the 165 and 180 grain loads, but I can't stress enough the velocity loss when it gets hot. My .45 loads ran at lease 50 -75 FPS slower when the temps hit the 90's and above. My .45 would have gone minor at a big USPSA match in UT this summer had I not prepared for the loss in PF. When it gets real hot I go to WSF or 231.

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Well, I like all the bullets I've used above but after this weekend I'm starting to lean towards Blue Bullets. Maybe I was just having a really good day but I couldn't seem to miss with my load using 4.2 grs. WST! Guess I'll be sticking with 4.2 grs. for practice and 4.5 for major - color me Blue!

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I didn't have enough Titegroup before to do much experimenting - but now I've got 5 lbs. I've been working on a minor load for fun shooting and these two are pretty good. WST doesn't burn as clean at lower pressure so in this case I prefer Titegroup. Gun barely moved, very flat shooting. Love those Blue Bullets! Nearly zero smoke, no leading and accuracy is actually better than plated, would never have believed it...

No chance to do any chronograph work, horrible weather this week.

Bullet: Blue Bullets 180 gr. FP (new version without lube groove)

Powder: Hodgdon Titegroup 3.6 grs

Primer: Winchester Small Pistol

Case: Remington

LOAL: 1.190

Recoil Spring: Dawson tool-less guide rod, 10 lb. Recoil Spring and Aluma Buffer Pad.

Comments: Testing with lighter recoil spring. BIG DIFFERENCE with lighter recoil spring, much softer shooting! Very accurate load! Cleaner burning than WST at these lower pressures.

Bullet: Blue Bullets 180 gr. FP (new version without lube groove)

Powder: Winchester WST 3.7 grs.

Primer: Winchester Small Pistol

Case: Mixed Federal (2 Dot) and Remington

LOAL: 1.190

Recoil Spring: Dawson tool-less guide rod, 10 lb. Recoil Spring and Aluma Buffer Pad.

Comments: Just as accurate at Titegroup but getting more powder residue.

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I had a 17 lb mainspring and a 10 lb recoil in my Edge .40, Zane from STI Saud 12 lb was the minimum I should use, he said the slide will smash into the frame with a 10 lb spring.

I use an 11 lb in my DVC. 40

He told me not to use a Buffer.

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The weather was pretty good today for January (60°) so I managed to chronograph a couple of loads I've been testing. I'm out of WST but have quite a bit of Titegroup. Tried some Ramshot Zip too - didn't make major but I like it!

Bullet: Blue Bullets 180 gr. FP

Powder: Hodgdon Titegroup 4.3 grs.
Primer: Winchester Small Pistol
Case: Remington
LOAL: 1.190
Avg. Vel.: 934.40 fps
ES: 26.35
SD: 8.48
PF: 168
Recoil Spring: Dawson tool-less guide rod, 14 lb. Recoil Spring and Buffer Pad.
Bullet: Blue Bullets 180 gr. FP
Powder: Ramshot Zip 4.6 grs.
Primer: Winchester Small Pistol
Case: Remington
LOAL: 1.190
Avg. Vel.: 872.05 fps
ES: 32.73
SD: 11.87
PF: 156.9
Recoil Spring: Dawson tool-less guide rod, 14 lb. Recoil Spring and Buffer Pad.
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Did some more testing today with Ramshot Zip. Just not feeling the love, much higher ES & SD readings compared to WST and Titegroup (at least with PC and Plated). Really like the feel of the 200 gr. load with Titegroup, nice and soft! I'd like at little more PF but it's close (might try 4.3 grs. of Titegroup next time).

Bullet: Rainier 180 gr. FN Plated
Powder: Ramshot Zip 4.6 grs.
Primer: Winchester Small Pistol
Case: Remington
LOAL: 1.180
Avg. Vel.: 828.75 fps
ES: 89.35
SD: 32.04
PF: 149
Recoil Spring: Tool-less guide rod, 14 lb. Recoil Spring & Aluma Buffer Pad
Bullet: Rainier 180 gr. FN Plated
Powder: Ramshot Zip 5.2 grs.
Primer: Winchester Small Pistol
Case: Remington
LOAL: 1.180
Avg. Vel.: 972.97 fps
ES: 81.06
SD: 23.47
PF: 175
Recoil Spring: Tool-less guide rod, 14 lb. Recoil Spring & Aluma Buffer Pad
Bullet: X-Treme 200 gr. RNFP Plated
Powder: Hodgdon Titegroup 4.0 grs.
Primer: Winchester Small Pistol
Case: Remington
LOAL: 1.180
Avg. Vel.: 839.21 fps
ES: 35.24
SD: 11.61
PF: 167
Recoil Spring: Tool-less guide rod, 14 lb. Recoil Spring & Aluma Buffer Pad
Comments: Thanks to Scott Garthee (jsg) for the load information using Titegroup!
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Tried getting my PF up around 170 today and went a little too far... Accurate, but more recoil than I wanted!

Probably should have used 4.1 grs. Titegroup instead of 4.3!

Bullet: X-Treme 200 gr. RNFP Plated
Powder: Hodgdon Titegroup 4.3 grs.
Primer: Winchester Small Pistol
Case: Winchester
LOAL: 1.180
Avg. Vel.: 889.67 fps
ES: 38.07
SD: 12.40
PF: 178
Recoil Spring: Tool-less guide rod, 14 lb. Recoil Spring & Aluma Buffer Pad
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  • 3 weeks later...

Well, I tried N320 in my Edge tonight and it looks like it lives up to the hype. Very accurate, clean burning and soft! Quite a bit less soot around the chamber area compared to Titegroup. I'd still rather use WST (cheaper) but I'm out!

Really starting to get off my original thread topic too!

Will post some chronograph results if the weather permits.

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@DukeEB,

LOL! The exact same load you're using except I'm using a Ranier 180 gr. FN. I didn't want to post my load until I'd checked the velocity but it's been tough getting to the range. Meant to go last Sunday but the big wildfires up near Alva, Oklahoma had my buddies worried about our deer hunting trailer. I was the only one who didn't need a kitchen pass - so I went up to check it out. Not good...

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I like WST for light to medium loads, but prefer the WSF for Major, it runs quite a bit lower PSI at 169 than WST. It shoots very soft compared to TG. I have run the WSF in light to medium loads and it shoots fine, but at lower velocities, I see larger variances in velocity, it seems to like being run hotter out of my guns.

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