Peplow530 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 If you fad to choose between a Barsto .40 cal 2011 or a CZ .40 cal Tac Sport for limited, which one would it be and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APL-G35 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Barsto because Merica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 CZ because cheap and reliable out of the box and 21+1 and I can get a higher more secure grip. You should probably buy whichever one you like better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 You will have more parts and supplies for the 2011 but look hard at the CZ, they are really great shooting pistols and are more ergonomic in most hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerburgess Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 the whole aftermarket parts argument has always baffled me, it seams like saying don't buy a Mercedes because you can get more parts for a Chevy. if it runs well what do you need the parts for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 the whole aftermarket parts argument has always baffled me, it seams like saying don't buy a Mercedes because you can get more parts for a Chevy. if it runs well what do you need the parts for? I agree with this if you're talking factory parts. Some people just like to modify and customize things for the fun of it and the 2011 has much more available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 the whole aftermarket parts argument has always baffled me, it seams like saying don't buy a Mercedes because you can get more parts for a Chevy. if it runs well what do you need the parts for? I agree with this if you're talking factory parts. Some people just like to modify and customize things for the fun of it and the 2011 has much more available. That's a good point. If you like to tweak things and screw with your gun until it doesn't run anymore, a 2011 will give you much more opportunity to do that. I've observed it at close range when RO-ing major matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel1841 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I would vote for the tac sport I think it's a more reliable gun but the 2011s look cooler. The tac sport can also run factory ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racknrider Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I say pooh on the reliability chatter. All I shoot is 1911/2011s and my guns run. I've had one malfunction, primer didn't ignite, in my last 2000 rounds. But what feels good in your hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 the whole aftermarket parts argument has always baffled me, it seams like saying don't buy a Mercedes because you can get more parts for a Chevy. if it runs well what do you need the parts for? Well, it's like now, I've been waiting for a wide safety for my CZ for weeks now...a darn safety!! I shouldn't have to wait for that. I can call up at least 10 companies right now and get a 2011 safety here tomorrow. It just sucks when you try to get something for your gun and it's that difficult - especially for a part that pretty important. This is not the only story, there are plenty more like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 With sufficient effort and skill, any gun can be made to suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Go to your local match and take an inventory of what the most popular gun used in Limited are. The CZ limited blasters will be very few and far between. 2011's own the market when it comes to the Limited division. The CZ limited guns can be competitive in Limited, that isn't in question. What you need to really ask yourself, is if you want to be the lone outcast at the range shooting a CZ limited blaster, or part of the majority shooting a 2011. There are a lot of ancillary advantages for using what the majority of shooters are using. If you have gear, ammo, upgrade, or tuning questions those can usually be easily answered from local shooters when using a 2011. When you are using a CZ Limited blaster, you will be on your own in figuring out everything on your own. The same goes for troubleshooting and repairing issues with the guns. The local brain trust is a lot more knowledgeable and skilled in figuring out issues with 2011's. You will be on your own when you have issues with the CZ Limited blaster. You also may have to ship the CZ blaster out of state to competent/experienced gunsmiths that work on those kind of guns. Its pretty rare to have a local gunsmith that CAN'T work on a 2011. Pick your poison wisely. One comes with a comforting blanket of local knowledge and the other puts you on a deserted island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerburgess Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 the whole aftermarket parts argument has always baffled me, it seams like saying don't buy a Mercedes because you can get more parts for a Chevy. if it runs well what do you need the parts for? Well, it's like now, I've been waiting for a wide safety for my CZ for weeks now...a darn safety!! I shouldn't have to wait for that. I can call up at least 10 companies right now and get a 2011 safety here tomorrow. It just sucks when you try to get something for your gun and it's that difficult - especially for a part that pretty important. This is not the only story, there are plenty more like it. Did you wear the old safety out? i'll guess not. My point was if the gun comes out of the box in a configuration you like and is built well what parts do you "NEED" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 the whole aftermarket parts argument has always baffled me, it seams like saying don't buy a Mercedes because you can get more parts for a Chevy. if it runs well what do you need the parts for? Well, it's like now, I've been waiting for a wide safety for my CZ for weeks now...a darn safety!! I shouldn't have to wait for that. I can call up at least 10 companies right now and get a 2011 safety here tomorrow. It just sucks when you try to get something for your gun and it's that difficult - especially for a part that pretty important. This is not the only story, there are plenty more like it. Did you wear the old safety out? i'll guess not. My point was if the gun comes out of the box in a configuration you like and is built well what parts do you "NEED" How about sights? Look for sight options for a CZ verses a 2011. Getting the correct sights on the gun is a basic upgrade that almost all shooters do to tune the gun to their needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 the whole aftermarket parts argument has always baffled me, it seams like saying don't buy a Mercedes because you can get more parts for a Chevy. if it runs well what do you need the parts for? Well, it's like now, I've been waiting for a wide safety for my CZ for weeks now...a darn safety!! I shouldn't have to wait for that. I can call up at least 10 companies right now and get a 2011 safety here tomorrow. It just sucks when you try to get something for your gun and it's that difficult - especially for a part that pretty important. This is not the only story, there are plenty more like it. Did you wear the old safety out? i'll guess not. My point was if the gun comes out of the box in a configuration you like and is built well what parts do you "NEED" Actually yes, it's worn out and almost impossible to activate/deactivate...but that doesn't matter. Parts and spares should not be months in the making, it should be something that you can get easily. Unless you just want to have back up guns just for parts but how stupid is that. This is making my decision easier every day to stay with a 2011 over a CZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerburgess Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 the whole aftermarket parts argument has always baffled me, it seams like saying don't buy a Mercedes because you can get more parts for a Chevy. if it runs well what do you need the parts for?Well, it's like now, I've been waiting for a wide safety for my CZ for weeks now...a darn safety!! I shouldn't have to wait for that. I can call up at least 10 companies right now and get a 2011 safety here tomorrow. It just sucks when you try to get something for your gun and it's that difficult - especially for a part that pretty important. This is not the only story, there are plenty more like it. Did you wear the old safety out? i'll guess not.My point was if the gun comes out of the box in a configuration you like and is built well what parts do you "NEED" How about sights? Look for sight options for a CZ verses a 2011. Getting the correct sights on the gun is a basic upgrade that almost all shooters do to tune the gun to their needs. I agree there are opportunity costs to running something other than a 19/2011, or GLOCK in any division but I don't believe they are as big a problem as many make them out to be. I think your assessment above is spot on and persuasive. To me personally the issues you raise are reasons for shooting something different because I like being different but I know that's not for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerburgess Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 the whole aftermarket parts argument has always baffled me, it seams like saying don't buy a Mercedes because you can get more parts for a Chevy. if it runs well what do you need the parts for?Well, it's like now, I've been waiting for a wide safety for my CZ for weeks now...a darn safety!! I shouldn't have to wait for that. I can call up at least 10 companies right now and get a 2011 safety here tomorrow. It just sucks when you try to get something for your gun and it's that difficult - especially for a part that pretty important. This is not the only story, there are plenty more like it. Did you wear the old safety out? i'll guess not.My point was if the gun comes out of the box in a configuration you like and is built well what parts do you "NEED" Actually yes, it's worn out and almost impossible to activate/deactivate...but that doesn't matter. Parts and spares should not be months in the making, it should be something that you can get easily. Unless you just want to have back up guns just for parts but how stupid is that. This is making my decision easier every day to stay with a 2011 over a CZ.My apology, I agree basic factory parts should be avaliable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Go to your local match and take an inventory of what the most popular gun used in Limited are. The CZ limited blasters will be very few and far between. 2011's own the market when it comes to the Limited division. The CZ limited guns can be competitive in Limited, that isn't in question. What you need to really ask yourself, is if you want to be the lone outcast at the range shooting a CZ limited blaster, or part of the majority shooting a 2011. Yep, decide if you want to be your own person, shooting what you like best, or just be part of a herd, saying 'moooooo'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 How about sights? Look for sight options for a CZ verses a 2011. Getting the correct sights on the gun is a basic upgrade that almost all shooters do to tune the gun to their needs. Maybe i'm not as picky as you. It seems to me that quality competition sights are easy to find for pretty much any feasible gun. Then again, I like the stock sights on both the tac sport and on my STI 1911's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1gcountry Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Yep, just decide if you need validation that you are special and unique because you carry a different gin from everyone else in your club... because deep down inside you are an artist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 yes, get the 2011 ... I got tired of having everyone at my club ask me every match how I liked my CZ since I was the only one shooting one ... of course I was shooting Production so nothing I've said really matters .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Yep, just decide if you need validation that you are special and unique because you carry a different gin from everyone else in your club... because deep down inside you are an artist! Heh heh. Sweet burn. I personally got a cz because I am cheap, and I was already familiar with the platform from my production/carry guns. I don't really care about having lots of other people around me that shoot the same gun. I've found that the majority of people are NOT good sources of information about technical matters, and have teh googlez (and this forum) to answer any questions that might ever come up. People should shoot whatever they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZinZA Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Here in South Africa, the vast majority of production guns are CZs. I can therefore get any part for my TS from my friendly local supplier within a day or two. 1911 parts are much much harder to find. It's nice that it's easier for us here than in the USA - because for most firearm-related things we're an ignored backwater in the global supply chain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peplow530 Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 Well I was able to find a TS, so that's what I'll be shooting for now. Thanks for everyone's opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeb10 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 CZ because of the much lower cost of ownership (fixed and variable). Performance is more than sufficient to win titles with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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